# Records: [TAP] M-Roll Invisible Resistance

Thread in 'Competition' started by K, 23 Oct 2007.

1. ### K

maybe it's time to create a ranking table for this stuff

Code:
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|      |                    |   Best   |  Max  | Average 12 | Average 12 | Average 12 |
| Rank | UserName           |   Time   | Lines |    Time    |    lines   |    inp     |
|======+====================+==========+=======+============+============+============|
|  1   | jago               |  0:61:06 |  ???  |   0:54:36  |     -      |     --     |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  2   | Amnesia            |  0:50:~~ |  ???  |     -      |     -      |     --     |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  2   | Digital            |  ~50sec  |  ???  |     -      |     -      |     --     |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  2   | colour_thief       |  ~50sec  |  ???  |     -      |     -      |     --     |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  3   | Rosti_LFC          |   37sec  |  ???  |     -      |     -      |     --     |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  3   | kotetsu213         |  0:42:8~ |   -   |     -      |     -      |     --     |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  -   |                    |          |       |            |            |            |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  -   |                    |          |       |            |            |            |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|  -   |                    |          |       |            |            |            |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
Last update on Sep 28 03:30AM (Belgium)

General rule :

Try to survive as long as you can in M-roll

i just know that every "competitor" need to use MAME with cgwg M-roll cheat. if we use the cheat at level 900 for running chrono display purpose, is it ok about the gameplay values ?

Average 12 rules :

- start .inp record after nvram deletion (optional)

- try 12 successing attempt

- remove the best time attempt

- remove the worst time attempt

- calculate the average time (resting_attempts_time_addition / 10)

- calculate the average lines (resting_attemps_lines_addition / 10)

- post your zipped .inp file (optional)

i would like to introduce the average 12 in this table for several reason :

- ranking become more fair and representative of players skills

- M-Roll acuracy is more important than just a lucky try

- take far less time need managment than T.A. Death or master mode

- take advantage of the .inp file !

Last edited by a moderator: 28 Sep 2009
2. ### AmnesiaPiece of Cake

They can do 50 sec as well !!??

Dawn..

If it is true, remove me from the first place..No need to bet my average is not the same as colour_thief's..

I do around ~31-32

3. ### Rosti LFC

Could you possibly remind me how I activate the full m-roll, and not just the semi-invisible one?

invisible ON

instant ON

5. ### K

can somebody give me the invisible cheat ?

6. ### Rosti LFC

I second that. Or the cheat code that you need to enter. I've only got the level cheat on mine.

7. ### DIGITALUnregistered

Code:
:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P1 Level
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000001:ffffffff:1
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000065:ffffffff:101
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000000c9:ffffffff:201
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:0000012d:ffffffff:301
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000191:ffffffff:401
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000001f5:ffffffff:501
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000259:ffffffff:601
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000002bd:ffffffff:701
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000321:ffffffff:801
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000385:ffffffff:901
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000003e7:ffffffff:999
:tgm2p:60000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:Activate invisibility after selecting game mode
:tgm2p:00800000:06064ba5:00000010:00000010:P1 Invisibility
:tgm2p:00800000:06064bd0:0000007f:ffffffff:(Instant)
:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P1 Next
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000002:0000000f:I
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000003:0000000f:Z
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000004:0000000f:S
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000005:0000000f:J
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000006:0000000f:L
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000007:0000000f:O
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000008:0000000f:T
:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P2 Level
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000001:ffffffff:1
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000065:ffffffff:101
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000000c9:ffffffff:201
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:0000012d:ffffffff:301
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000191:ffffffff:401
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000001f5:ffffffff:501
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000259:ffffffff:601
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000002bd:ffffffff:701
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000321:ffffffff:801
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000385:ffffffff:901
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000003e7:ffffffff:999
:tgm2p:00800000:06064f59:00000010:00000010:P2 Invisibility
:tgm2p:00800000:06064f84:0000007f:ffffffff:(Instant)
:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P2 Next
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000008:0000000f:T 
Courtesy of cgwg and copied from a topic buried somewhere on TC.

8. ### Rosti LFC

I tried it on Death, and got a time of 1:04:73

I'll do another run on Level 900.

EDIT: Did one, managed 37 seconds.

9. ### tepplesLockjaw developer

For those who want to practice on a GBA or DS or someone else's PC before trying it on the arcade emulator, how close are the following Lockjaw settings to this competition's standard?

• Well width: 10
• Well height: 20
• Enter above ceiling: Off
• Speed curve: Death 300
• Max ARE: 250 ms
• Randomizer: History
• Hold piece: Off
• Rotation system: Arika
• Floor kicks: Off
• Lockdown: Step reset
• Lock delay: SBSC
• Line clear delay: SBSC
• Clear gravity: Naive
• Gluing: Off
• Garbage: None
• Max sideways delay: 166 ms
• Sideways speed: 1G
• Initial sideways motion: Off
• IRS: On
• Diagonal: Off
• Hide blocks in well: On
• Next pieces: 1

10. ### Rosti LFC

LJ players are at a disadvantage because, as I've stated in the LJ thread, invisible mode is a lot more difficult without any sort of line clear animation.

11. ### tepplesLockjaw developer

Then I just need to get 0.39 out.

12. ### Rosti LFC

Level 300 on Death is also faster than 999 on Master. I can actually survive reasonably well at the latter speed, but not the former.

13. ### K

in TOTAL invisibility ?

Tepple :

- TAP have a slight flash for each locking tetramino, maybe it can help to instant invisibility memorization and final position confirmation

14. ### Rosti LFC

Yes. That was on TA Death though, which is slower than Master 999

15. ### AmnesiaPiece of Cake

Strongly exact !

DEATH 300 and MASTER 900 are almost the same speed, but ARE and lock delay are set differently..

If you don't lock, DEATH 300 is a bit harder, if you manually lock, MASTER 900 is potentialy faster..

I have tried to compare with P1 at MASTER 900 and P2 at DEATH 300, it is the same speed..

PS : my best is realy 50, no need to put a "~"

16. ### Rosti LFC

Seeing as they are both 20G, surely different ARE and lock delay implies a different speed?

17. ### tepplesLockjaw developer

Death 300 has much faster ARE than Master 900. But does this setting to approximate Master 900, based on wiki info, come any closer?

• Speed curve: Death
• Max entry delay: 12 frames (200 ms)
• Lock delay: 17 frames (283 ms)
• Max sideways delay: 8 frames (133 ms)
• Other settings: As for TAP

18. ### makalaka

This thing is sadistic. My best time is 42.86 or 42.88 or something, 42.8x, I'll try to make an .inp tomorrow maybe.

19. ### AmnesiaPiece of Cake

I agree with you about the values, I was totally wrong in my precedent post..
But this scheme does not seem to represent the real thing..Maybe there is an error in the wiki..

I will perform more accurate comparison..

20. ### AmnesiaPiece of Cake

On a same session of ~10 attempts : 44 and 45 sec ..

If I have not yet reached 60 sec before April, I definitly give up..