Who has the NES Tetris World Record?

Thread in 'Competition' started by Classic Tetris WRs, 14 Oct 2019.

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Who has the NTSC World Record and what do you think about TylerP?

  1. Harry has it

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  2. Tyler's game is fine

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  3. Tyler can play, but the WR game is fishy

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  4. I don't believe the Tyler thing at all

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  5. No idea: I guess time will tell

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  6. Who cares? Let's just play Tetris! :D

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  1. I like to collect Tetris World Records and have put a bunch of them together on a YouTube channel. Hopefully this is okay with people. I'm truly just doing it as a fan. One thing I'm wondering is who actually has the NTSC World Record? It was Koryan, but that has now been beaten at least once by other people.

    First there's the legendary Harry Hong, who got 1.275m not too long ago:



    And then there's 1975TylerP, who posted 1.298m about four months back:



    It seems like there are quite a few people who don't accept this record, though. For some, he's too mysterious, came out of nowhere, and doesn't show his face or hands. For others, there's something about the gameplay that doesn't ring true.

    Here are some pluses to support TylerP's claim: he can definitely play; he's probably second only to Joseph for playing at Level 29 speed; he can pull off some crazy good moves; he says he's been playing for decades; he's endorsed by Joseph and several other top players; having seen many hours of his play on Twitch, I don't think there's any reason why he wouldn't be able to hit a score like this.

    Here are some cons: it's very possible to fake a big score; he's never shown himself on camera; he hasn't joined in CTM, despite saying he would; he played a friendly match against Matt Buco, and he twice kept going way beyond when Buco had topped out, supporting the 'pre-recorded' hypothesis; there's something fishy about his PB story, having said it was around 700,000 at this time, but also saying he's hit 1.3 in the past, and scored many maxouts over the years; many people suspect he's fake, or that he may be an amazing player, but that this world record video in particular is fake; he's removed all his previous streams from Twitch; he doesn't seem particularly interested or able to verify his ability.

    That said, I was watching on Twitch once where people in the chat were saying to do a Level 14 start - to disprove the 'pre-recorded' hypothesis - and he did, and played incredibly well, and very nearly got a maxout. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up at CTWC, out of the blue, and cause some serious mayhem, just for the hell of it.

    So what do people here think?
     
  2. I just watched Tyler's game again at Twitch with original chat:

    www.twitch.tv/videos/437235190

    Two things strike me: number one, there are quite a few top players watching live at the time, and none of them have any doubts. And number two, it's a very RNG-friendly game from start to finish, with barely any tough moments.

    I think watching it again makes me lean towards it being genuine. The only thing that holds me back is thinking that it seems quite a bit smoother than some of his other games. They're mostly all gone now - though the match against Buco is still there:

    www.twitch.tv/vandweller/video/293918563
     
  3. Tyler's video is real.

    I wasn't around when it happened on stream, but watched it after and noticed something about the capture that I thought was strange. On Nestopia, and I assume other emulators, there are settings to put various capture filters on whichever game you're playing to make it look like you're playing on a console. One of the settings, I think it's the composite setting, has an effect that makes the red border line around the level select screen blurry on the vertical lines, but completely sharp on the horizontal ones. If you look at Tyler's video, it's like that.

    I asked Xael about it, and apparently this is a thing that happens with a real capture too. We went through various emulator palettes trying to match his colours to one, and couldn't find anything that was even close. There's also other stuff like pieces showing twice as they fall when they're "in between frames", artifacts on the rocket screen that are the same as other console captures. I think in the end we figured out that it was probably the same capture card that Harry uses, ironically. I think he also knocked his capture card at one point and had to reconnect it, though I wasn't around for that either.

    So in short, the video definitely displays a capture from a real console, there's nothing wrong with it. I think this discussion probably wouldn't even be a thing if not for other factors, such as him saying he had an 800k PB when he started streaming again a week or so before the record, not playing CTM after qualifying, claiming to have scored a 1.33 game in the nineties or early 2000s, even though the uncapped game genie code wasn't even a thing back then.

    P.S. he didn't delete his VOD's from Twitch, they just automatically delete after two weeks if you don't highlight them. Also, I watched the Buco match, and it's pretty common for people to just keep going and finish the game if they're on 25+. When you add in stream lag, you're like 20-25 lines away from finishing the game out anyway by the time you hear your opponent topped out, so it makes sense to just keep going.
     
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  4. Many thanks for the information, PMYA, much appreciated. :)
     
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  5. Tyler's game looks fine — he played very well, RNG was friendly, but he made not very good moves several times (it's natural). And just because he's secretive and doesn't reveal his identity doesn't mean he's a cheater. The more that as noted, he confirmed his skills few times.

    So as long as there is no hard evidence that he has cheated, his record should be recognized — it is logical and fair.
     
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