NES Tetris World Records

Thread in 'Competition' started by Classic Tetris WRs, 24 Oct 2019.

  1. NTSC High Score

    1,357,428 - Joseph "JdMfX" Saelee

    PAL High Score

    758,360 - Joseph Saelee

    Level 19 start

    1,312,300 - Ian Nibba

    Earliest Maxout

    179.98 lines - Joseph Saelee

    Most Lines (NTSC)

    347 - Joseph Saelee

    Most Lines (NTSC - Level 18/19 start)

    284 - Joseph Saelee

    Most Lines (NTSC - Level 29 start)

    104 - Joseph Saelee

    Most Lines (PAL)

    249 - Jani "Janutzska" Herlevi

    Most Lines (PAL - Level 19 start)

    195 - Joseph Saelee

    100 Lines Speedrun (Level 19 start)

    3:07.10 - Joseph Saelee

    NTSC 300,000 Points Speedrun (Level 19 start)

    1:40.86 - Joseph Saelee

    No Next Box High Score

    450,966 - Jake Beaulieu

    Zero to 19 Speedrun

    7:25.44 - Koji "Koryan" Nishio

    High Score on the 1990 NWC Cartridge

    178,194 - Rich Ambler

    100 Lines Speedrun (Level 0 Start)

    3:47.72 - "RC Drone"

    Combined Competitive Score (Live)

    2,054,820 - Joseph Saelee and Tomohiro "Greentea" Tatejima

    Combined Competitive Score (Online)

    2,267,928 - Joseph and Jake Beaulieu

    Women's World Record

    1,067,205 - Chrissy Ford

    Youngest Maxout

    12 years 29 days - "dogplayingtetris"
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  2. Richard's 1.25 video:

    1.,213,580 from Koryan is on his Twitch highlights, under a video titled "[NES TETRIS] 635,920 post-transition PB (577k to 1.2M)". I still have no idea how to link Twitch stuff.

    There's a chance Koryan has more 1.2 games that aren't here/highlighted. I recall a 1.23 or something that was actually a CTM qualifier, which is absurd.
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  3. I got a 1,214,840 but it was on the same piece sets ROM (because it was in a match), idk if it counts (linking automatically embeds a null video for some reason)
  4. Should be okay: I suppose the only problem with pre-determined piece sets would be if someone played the same set through beforehand and knew when any sticky patches or droughts were coming - unless I'm missing something.

    Anyone have any objections? I suppose that makes it a competitive record too.
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  5. @Classic Tetris WRs — try to remember the sequence of hundreds of pieces and places for each of them, and then play the game so as not to be mistaken once. ;)

    IMO, even if someone played constantly with the same set of pieces, it is practically impossible to play such a game perfectly and achive 1.2M. This would probably require several months of training, hundreds or even thousands of tries (something like platform games speedruns).

    But this is quite a controversial topic. Fun fact—in various speedruns (e.g. Super Mario Bros.), players intentionally use specific RNG to make the game easier and achieve shorter game times. This is absolutely allowed in every category of speedrun. However, in the tetris community, the use of a specific RNG would most likely be considered cheating and the result would be discarded. :p
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  6. I think what I meant was that knowing in advance where bad RNG happens would be a big help. And though it doesn't sound like that applies to Galoomba here, I do notice in the video of the match that both Richard and DivCaste say they wouldn't count this score.
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  7. Piece distributions on any determinism mod are not going to match those of the original game, so it makes sense to separate them.
  8. Due to the way NES Tetris massages its random numbers, any (decently programmed) deterministic sequence should be completely probable on a vanilla cartridge. So any score you can make on a deterministic mod should be possible on an unmodified game given proper RNG. If Galoomba can make that score on a modified game, I have faith in their skill to do it on an unmodified one.

    That said, I agree with Kitaru. Even slight negligible alterations in the piece distribution routine is enough to make the score invalid on an actual score board. It's just not the same game.
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  9. Yeah, "not the same game" is usually how I think of subtle version differences like this. The level of skill demonstrated is not in question, but the differences in rules and constraints make it not directly comparable.

    @Sumez -- I think what makes the RNG determinism vs. entropy-collecting thing difficult is that a) there are likely differences in the exact piece weights, b) there are potentially situations where the stack heights make it impossible to receive a given piece (or at least impossible to receive with the placement choice the player made), and c) there are are piece sub-sequences that would be demonstrably impossible to receive in the original NES Tetris piece selection code.

    For instance, in a CTWC-style determinism mod (pieces are selected from shuffled "decks" of pieces), something like four I-pieces in a row would be exceptionally rare but technically possible. In the original NES Tetris piece selection code (pieces are selected using more directly from the underlying Linear Feedback Shift register and basic math operations to achieve mod8 and mod7), it is fundamentally, mathematically impossible to receive four I-pieces in a row; there are interactions between the current value of the piece index counter and the underlying LFSR for which an I->I re-roll will never occur. (In fact, O-piece is the only piece that is capable of infinitely flooding.) So, without getting into the fuzzy area of points (a) and (b) above, we know from (c) that there could potentially be games played on a determinism mod that could never be replicated on the original game.
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  10. Joseph has become the first person to break 1.2 on a Level 19 start:

    World Record for that category, and 11th highest score overall.
    Last edited: 29 Feb 2020
  11. You didn't update the lvl 19 start highscore.
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  12. Congrats to Zefanyanenu for becoming only the 9th member of the 1.2 million club. His 1,221,960 is the 14th highest score of all time*:

    (Apart from the ones I don't know about.)
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  13. Joseph and Richard also retook the record for highest combined score in a friendly, with 2,168,480:

  14. Would it be politically incorrect to add a "Women's World Record" category?
  15. You could do it like they do it in chess. In chess they have a woman's category and even separate titles for women that have lower requirements. But they do not have a men's category. The two categories in chess are mixed and women.
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  16. Good point; I totally agree with that.

    So I wonder who has the WWR? As far as I know there are four female maxouters: Dana Wilcox, Kristen Stein, Chrissy Ford, and Elle Nolan.
  17. Koryan got another 1.2 million a couple of days ago, and I think he has more than are in the list above, including one in a Classic Tetris Monthly qualifier.

    Final score was 1,260,240.
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  18. I found that one of Koryan's from the CTM qualifier. No video anymore, but here's a screenshot of his post in Discord, and obviously it was verified by a lot of people:


    His first game of the hour!
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  19. Updated. That's now 24 games of over 1.2 million. Might have to make it a new cut off point to keep that list sensible.
  20. Here's a video of Dana getting a maxout. It looks like final score is about +7,000 and I think this is the game Kitaru has listed on the front page (28+1.43).

    Kristen has a maxout video with about +13,000; again, this is the one listed as her earliest.

    Chrissy Ford's PB is 1,067,205, from a few weeks ago. She got the maxout at something like 27+5.

    And I think Elle Nolan (Professor_L) is +12,000 - or at least it was two months ago - so that would make Chrissy Ford the World Record Holder for this.

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