Post every single one of your scores here! DAY 0 - A beginner's approach - 1 Master 440 @ 2:55.15 490 @ 3:13.28 725 @ 4:43.65 DAY 1 - A fatal plunge 355 @ 2:34.66 499 @ 3:23.13 530 @ 3:22.26 359 @ 2:23.73 371 @ 2:29.55 213 @ 1:27.70 594 @ 3:43.25 382 @ 2:34.93 152 @ 1:07.26 499 @ 3:19.46 266 @ 1:58.43 461 @ 3:03.60 199 @ 1:31.58 424 @ 2:52.60 386 @ 2:43.03 408 @ 2:56.11 - Pro streak go! 687 @ 4:30.71 485 @ 3:14.61 231 @ 1:42.15 508 @ 3:11.11 657 @ 4:14.98 388 @ 2:32.00 679 @ 4:11.18 569 @ 3:35.30 164 @ 1:13.20 587 @ 3:56.71 274 @ 1:54.86 579 @ 3:43.26 544 @ 3:30.66 224 @ 1:35.58 - Pro streak end. 199 @ 1:23.33 402 @ 2:32.16 399 @ 2:35.70 171 @ 1:12.93 438 @ 2:51.36 644 @ 4:06.33 424 @ 2:45.40 424 @ 2:55.71 270 @ 1:49.66 395 @ 2:36.21 199 @ 1:26.65 362 @ 2:35.60 169 @ 1:16.31 178 @ 1:17.46 315 @ 2:12.81 399 @ 2:46.83 348 @ 2:31.21
Deciding to stop at first m for tonight. Level @ Time March 24 199 @ 1:28:25 264 @ 1:52:00 257 @ 1:50:30 421 @ 2:52:83 234 @ 1:39:15 092 @ 0:43:46 574 @ 3:47:61 (m at 3:20 or thereabouts) March 25 518 @ 3:27:xx (m @ 3:18?) 143 @ 1:05:83 220 @ 1:40:65 123 @ 1:01:70 064 @ 0:33:21 271 @ 1:59:78 054 @ 0:27:58 142 @ 1:03:10 151 @ 1:08:31 427 @ 2:51:16 149 @ 1:07:13 293 @ 2:02:86 030 @ 0:17:18 150 @ 1:08:31 414 @ 2:45:05 281 @ 2:03:25 265 @ 1:53:86 427 @ 2:52:11 064 @ 0:31:53 265 @ 1:51:81 292 @ 2:00:46 307 @ 2:12:55 112 @ 0:51:58 225 @ 1:34:28 299 @ 2:08:33 162 @ 1:10:33 428 @ 2:53:76 531 @ 3:30:66 (didn't get m time) This session was really inconsistent. 068 @ 0:38:65 464 @ 3:10:88 350 @ 2:25:68 481 @ 3:15:25 375 @ 2:33:06 199 @ 1:27:61 247 @ 1:47:41 048 @ 0:25:10 (Mihara's Conspiracy at the top of the stack) 351 @ 2:18:38 074 @ 0:35:08 084 @ 0:39:08 153 @ 1:08:90 687 @ 4:31:08 (yay!) As you can see, I get myself killed before level 300 most of the time.
3/25/10 @ 1am 151 @ 1:24:38 125 @ 1:11:13 195 @ 1:45:83 140 @ 1:21:18 160 @ 1:29:38 104 @ 1:00:21 060 @ 0:40:08 131 @ 1:11:15 110 @ 1:05:55 236 @ 2:05:16 099 @ 0:58:65 122 @ 1:06:68 044 @ 0:30:93 (What the hell happened here?) 156 @ 1:27:10 146 @ 1:23:58 123 @ 1:11:15 099 @ 0:58:38 149 @ 1:19:76 180 @ 1:38:03 127 @ 1:13:58 189 @ 1:35:70 146 @ 1:22:21 320 @ 2:33:48 (Improvement!) 3/25/10 @ 4am 085 @ 0:51:81 095 @ 0:55:70 155 @ 1:26:45 121 @ 1:09:88 105 @ 1:02:86 164 @ 1:29:08 095 @ 0:57:63 176 @ 1:30:31 081 @ 0:48:05 146 @ 1:19:85 099 @ 0:57:58 3/25/10 @ 6pm 141 @ 1:16:96 123 @ 1:06:31 099 @ 0:58:88 143 @ 1:19:86 099 @ 0:59:33 063 @ 0:38:81 173 @ 1:30:85 167 @ 1:30:45 199 @ 1:46:18 209 @ 1:48:15 3/25/10 @ 8pm 137 @ 1:17:10 123 @ 1:11:85 145 @ 1:17:40 078 @ 0:47:70 189 @ 1:42:45 125 @ 1:14:16 189 @ 1:41:46 158 @ 1:26:08 132 @ 1:15:36 051 @ 0:34:88 (I'm ashamed.) 180 @ 1:39:00 199 @ 1:45:50 186 @ 1:42:98 117 @ 1:04:28 244 @ 2:05:26 269 @ 2:14:50 173 @ 1:33:16 091 @ 0:51:41 153 @ 1:26:11 091 @ 0:54:70 199 @ 1:43:43 076 @ 0:45:46 3/26/10 @ 1am 074 @ 0:45:58 127 @ 1:12:35 246 @ 2:05:73 147 @ 1:20:30 169 @ 1:28:56 097 @ 0:55:88 199 @ 1:44:83 204 @ 1:51:61 191 @ 1:46:78 177 @ 1:30:81 091 @ 0:52:33 095 @ 0:52:06 203 @ 1:48:91 114 @ 1:07:25 155 @ 1:21:90 148 @ 1:19:75 107 @ 1:01:13 099 @ 1:01:16 3/26/10 @ 4:30pm - NorCal Tetris Meet! 136 @ 1:21:73 188 @ 1:40:03 124 @ 1:11:16 187 @ 1:40:00 199 @ 1:47:88 167 @ 1:32:36 097 @ 0:57:33 224 @ 2:00:91 122 @ 1:13:58 199 @ 1:48:81 120 @ 1:09:06 204 @ 1:52:16 052 @ 0:34:53 073 @ 0:43:03 194 @ 1:40:63 3/27/10: NONE. 3/28/10 @ 1:30pm: 087 @ 0:52:55 078 @ 0:48:30 101 @ 1:03:96 092 @ 0:54:66 121 @ 1:08:96 056 @ 0:36:66 099 @ 1:01:86 123 @ 1:15:13 070 @ 0:41:81 096 @ 0:54:71 156 @ 1:21:18 199 @ 1:44:05 071 @ 0:43:95 123 @ 1:14:68 143 @ 1:18:53 145 @ 1:18:06 198 @ 1:46:28 128 @ 1:13:05 055 @ 0:33:20 160 @ 1:30:33 107 @ 1:06:30 204 @ 1:46:78 015 @ 0:09:65 (YES.) 099 @ 1:00:68 225 @ 1:58:28 107 @ 1:03:31 196 @ 1:42:20 068 @ 0:42:33 081 @ 0:51:10 3/28/10 @ 7pm 127 @ 1:14:01 188 @ 1:40:68 118 @ 1:10:00 275 @ 2:19:25 196 @ 1:45:25 169 @ 1:30:33 046 @ 0:29:88 (....) 181 @ 1:34:63 268 @ 2:14:11 242 @ 2:01:91 (2 consecutive 200 games?! NOWAI.) 088 @ 0:51:41 087 @ 0:50:26 074 @ 0:45:51 219 @ 1:55:16 087 @ 0:50:16 063 @ 0:41:20 098 @ 0:56:16 133 @ 1:11:78 220 @ 1:54:86 079 @ 0:46:31 125 @ 1:13:66 186 @ 1:37:60 153 @ 1:22:68 142 @ 1:14:43 128 @ 1:11:31 246 @ 2:02:08 069 @ 0:41:43 060 @ 0:36:95 185 @ 1:35:45 109 @ 1:03:75 120 @ 1:05:61 073 @ 0:43:60 3/28/10 @ 11:20pm 199 @ 1:53:71 221 @ 1:58:20 291 @ 2:28:15 149 @ 1:26:91 099 @ 0:59:76 149 @ 1:24:70 147 @ 1:21:68 063 @ 0:39:10 088 @ 0:51:86 310 @ 2:37:58 (Yay 300--WHAT THE HELL IT'S TOO FAST ) 099 @ 1:04:30 243 @ 2:02:86 143 @ 1:18:40 181 @ 1:40:38 112 @ 1:06:08 058 @ 0:37:28 056 @ 0:36:55 257 @ 2:24:35 118 @ 1:08:88 073 @ 0:45:81 138 @ 1:16:03 3/29/10: 3am (Note to self: When it is difficult to keep eyes open, do not play. This was about 10-15 minutes of embarrassing and disappoint.) 071 @ 0:43:88 199 @ 1:47:76 199 @ 1:50:81 186 @ 1:37:56 173 @ 1:33:85 122 @ 1:07:20 113 @ 1:04:55 098 @ 0:56:95 164 @ 1:28:88 119 @ 1:08:15 187 @ 1:36:35 099 @ 0:58:05 054 @ 0:34:01 099 @ 1:06:21 094 @ 0:54:34 3/29/10 @ 3pm 117 @ 1:11:56 115 @ 1:07:36 068 @ 0:42:63 110 @ 1:10:30 067 @ 0:39:23 116 @ 1:08:05 3/30/10 @ 2pm 189 @ 1:44:21 085 @ 0:50:18 273 @ 2:24:55 110 @ 1:04:40 059 @ 0:36:30 144 @ 1:20:78 176 @ 1:34:20 110 @ 1:08:61 3/30/10 @ 9:40pm 299 @ 2:32:63 150 @ 1:18:06 082 @ 0:46:80 099 @ 1:00:06 179 @ 1:29:31 099 @ 1:03:33 164 @ 1:25:28 199 @ 1:42:78 211 @ 1:53:98 167 @ 1:26:08 081 @ 0:46:15 129 @ 1:13:51 122 @ 1:10:20 123 @ 1:08:21 222 @ 1:54:00 060 @ 0:36:48 167 @ 1:30:31 276 @ 2:19:35 264 @ 2:12:00 058 @ 0:36:65 145 @ 1:23:26 118 @ 1:03:91 199 @ 1:42:98 193 @ 1:40:46 080 @ 0:45:73 091 @ 0:52:85 161 @ 1:26:00 149 @ 1:17:30 123 @ 1:11:26 075 @ 0:43:93 3/31/10 @ 2am 189 @ 1:42:90 110 @ 1:03:71 182 @ 1:37:85 169 @ 1:27:78 209 @ 1:56:26 182 @ 1:35:23 149 @ 1:20:30 094 @ 0:56:43 160 @ 1:28:98 135 @ 1:19:66 151 @ 1:23:05 089 @ 0:52:08 061 @ 0:36:90 230 @ x:xx:xx (Ragequit.) 3/31/10 @ 11:30am 038 @ 0:26:35 090 @ 0:54:03 136 @ 1:15:68 168 @ 1:29:21 106 @ 0:58:15 080 @ 0:47:78 203 @ 1:48:63 166 @ 1:39:03 227 @ 1:57:80 051 @ 0:32:88 201 @ 1:44:60 Total under 100: 94 Total over 300: 2 Total: 304 It's over. I'm done for now. See you next year.
Okay, I will post every game I play, every day. Prepare for a long post. Best game from each session will be highlighted. Day 1 (25/3) Session 1 176 @ --:--:-- (forgot to take note) 133 @ 01:38:40 076 @ 00:58:66 202 @ 02:11:53 163 @ 01:51:78 132 @ 01:35:66 119 @ 01:26:86 122 @ 01:28:46 186 @ 02:10:45 Session 2 155 @ 01:49:56 136 @ 01:22:23 114 @ 01:19:75 091 @ 01:01:30 170 @ 01:58:20 241 @ 02:35:13 137 @ 01:38:60 162 @ 01:56:95 160 @ 01:51:23 177 @ 02:01:08 195 @ 02:08:25 144 @ 01:39:66 158 @ 01:49:86 Session 3 215 @ 02:28:88 118 @ 01:27:96 112 @ 01:25:23 109 @ 01:21:23 128 @ 01:32:98 318 @ 03:10:53 (it's a new record!) Session 4 148 @ 01:43:63 205 @ 02:14:91 135 @ 01:38:65 167 @ 01:52:23 110 @ 01:23:58 216 @ 02:18:68 155 @ 01:50:11 157 @ 01:48:93 154 @ 01:47:33 Session 5 166 @ 02:00:65 178 @ 02:00:80 150 @ 01:49:25 266 @ 02:47:51 Session 6 173 @ 01:51:78 225 @ 02:25:31 156 @ 01:47:86 190 @ 02:08:75 184 @ 02:04:95 122 @ 01:32:63 199 @ 02:11:81 227 @ 02:29:45 162 @ 01:49:61 Day 2 (26/3) Session 1 ~ 2 AM 291 @ 03:00:71 120 @ 01:25:71 167 @ 01:55:96 113 @ 01:26:86 160 @ 01:47:60 125 @ 01:27:81 155 @ 01:46:96 162 @ 01:49:45 138 @ 01:36:93 204 @ 01:56:98 143 @ 01:40:03 182 @ 01:47:60 207 @ 02:23:70 143 @ 01:48:73 173 @ 02:01:80 Session 2 ~ 6 PM 135 @ 01:38:30 126 @ 01:30:90 199 @ 02:21:90 202 @ 02:19:95 139 @ 01:39:53 178 @ 01:57:61 103 @ 01:14:56 145 @ 01:45:81 Session 3 ~ 8:30 PM 151 @ 01:44:20 142 @ 01:39:66 220 @ 02:25:81 099 @ 01:19:71 099 @ 01:13:90 173 @ 01:58:08 041 @ 00:32:16 237 @ 02:33:13 111 @ 01:24:43 107 @ 01:28:60 116 @ 01:27:50 142 @ 01:41:53 123 @ 01:30:78 163 @ 01:48:93 113 @ 01:21:30 Session 4 ~ 10.30 PM 129 @ 01:33:11 129 @ 01:34:80 150 @ 01:43:38 217 @ 02:19:51 121 @ 01:28:76 118 @ 01:32:58 117 @ 01:27:63 282 @ 02:55:06 Session 5 ~ 11 PM 188 @ 02:08:20 182 @ 02:04:45 270 @ 02:47:71 178 @ 01:59:36 124 @ 01:29:70 119 @ 01:32:20 154 @ 01:49:65 132 @ 01:36:83 199 @ 02:14:98 099 @ 01:15:06 121 @ 01:33:81 179 @ 01:59:38 084 @ 01:04:66 136 @ 01:35:06 Day 3 (27/3) Session 1 ~ 2 AM 208 @ 02:18:31 148 @ 01:41:58 108 @ 01:20:98 125 @ 01:31:00 116 @ 01:22:45 168 @ 01:57:98 192 @ 02:07:46 176 @ 01:58:46 Session 2 ~ 2 PM (worst session ever) 042 @ 00:37:81 065 @ 00:52:13 081 @ 01:03:73 152 @ 01:47:50 140 @ 01:40:31 070 @ 00:56:46 071 @ 00:58:20 119 @ 01:31:05 114 @ 01:23:51 095 @ 01:12:86 091 @ 01:08:86 133 @ 01:34:91 125 @ 01:28:68 Session 3 ~ 11 PM 140 @ 01:32:48 096 @ 01:00:00 084 @ 00:53:06 075 @ 00:50:58 086 @ 00:51:61 147 @ 01:20:41 158 @ 01:41:35 Day 4 (28/3) [stick day] Session 1 ~ 4:30 PM 187 @ 01:58:10 072 @ 00:52:81 110 @ 01:07:15 119 @ 01:10:65 156 @ 01:32:40 096 @ 00:54:60 102 @ 01:21:13 148 @ 01:46:21 049 @ 00:43:71 110 @ 01:26:53 157 @ 01:54:35 Session 2 ~ 8:30 PM 105 @ 01:20:83 129 @ 01:36:68 052 @ 00:43:26 188 @ 02:04:78 183 @ 02:05:71 153 @ 01:46:66 204 @ 02:18:86 092 @ 00:55:38 198 @ 01:53:58 039 @ 00:28:05 093 @ 00:53:40 102 @ 01:05:98 140 @ 01:24:53 129 @ 01:14:45 103 @ 01:04:78 099 @ 00:58:10 069 @ 00:42:63 085 @ 00:54:23 085 @ 00:48:46 155 @ 01:39:56 099 @ 01:16:05 230 @ 02:20:23 099 @ 01:04:70 Session 3 ~ 10:30 PM 114 @ 01:07:43 099 @ 01:06:11 173 @ 01:53:40 107 @ 01:09:91 127 @ 01:21:51 120 @ 01:08:96 119 @ 01:13:55 097 @ 01:00:11 135 @ 01:20:23 099 @ 01:00:53 116 @ 01:11:93 096 @ 00:56:80 120 @ 01:03:51 Day 5 (29/3) [stick day] Session 1 ~ 1 AM 173 @ 01:45:28 115 @ 01:10:15 099 @ 00:56:55 189 @ 01:50:95 324 @ 03:01:98 (it's a new record!) Session 2 ~ 7 PM 188 @ 01:54:35 117 @ 01:15:01 080 @ 00:51:71 127 @ 01:13:11 142 @ 01:21:85 099 @ 01:06:10 104 @ 00:58:63 144 @ 01:17:78 115 @ 01:10:96 123 @ 01:14:95 111 @ 01:26:86 115 @ 01:38:35 160 @ 01:52:30 112 @ 01:25:30 165 @ 01:55:81 121 @ 01:26:73 116 @ 01:27:30 Session 4 ~ 11 PM 106 @ 01:07:28 111 @ 01:09:10 117 @ 01:11:50 183 @ 01:50:31 198 @ 02:11:28 167 @ 01:33:63 114 @ 01:15:75 167 @ 01:38:43 126 @ 01:11:85 130 @ 01:20:18 114 @ 01:13:51 Day 6 (30/3) Session 1 ~ 7 AM 156 @ 01:55:21 184 @ 02:04:25 115 @ 01:36:51 145 @ 01:44:98 202 @ 02:18:33 Session 2 ~ 8:30 PM 132 @ 01:34:45 115 @ 01:27:23 090 @ 00:54:46 099 @ 01:02:28 193 @ 02:13:55 136 @ 01:42:30 104 @ 01:25:30 131 @ 01:34:33 113 @ 01:27:83 138 @ 01:44:15 199 @ 02:13:45 143 @ 01:40:93 Session 3 ~ 11 PM 187 @ 02:12:86 177 @ 02:06:33 115 @ 01:28:43 189 @ 02:07:85 122 @ 01:31:56 Day 7 (31/3) Session 1 ~ 11 AM 150 @ 01:46:63 130 @ 01:31:38 162 @ 01:49:50 128 @ 01:32:78 203 @ 02:18:23 117 @ 01:22:43 112 @ 01:22:36 080 @ 01:06:30 Session 2 ~ 7 PM 156 @ 01:52:76 181 @ 02:08:60 126 @ 01:34:50 152 @ 01:48:38 122 @ 01:36:70 149 @ 01:42:48 167 @ 01:54:76 168 @ 01:58:81 110 @ 01:24:15 183 @ 02:09:03 Session 3 ~ 9:30 PM 070 @ 00:56:51 146 @ 01:46:78 175 @ 01:59:15 181 @ 02:10:23 099 @ 01:16:61 278 @ 03:01:63 095 @ 01:09:85 Session 4 ~ 11:45 PM 083 @ 01:04:80 213 @ 02:23:81 065 @ 00:52:33 110 @ 01:23:85 085 @ 01:04:83 109 @ 01:20:93 069 @ 00:55:83 169 @ 01:56:71 099 @ 01:14:28 - - - Best of Death Day 1: 318 @ 03:10:53 Day 2: 291 @ 03:00:71 Day 3: 208 @ 02:18:31 Day 4: 230 @ 02:20:23 Day 5: 324 @ 03:01:98 Day 6: 202 @ 02:18:33 Day 7: 278 @ 03:01:63 Other stats Number of total games: 274 games Number of x99: 17 games Number of games <100: 49 games Number of games >=200: 24 games Number of games >=300: 2 games
Zombie training: 214 @ 1:41:xx 447 @ 3:10:xx 243 @ 1:52:48 122 @ 0:57:70 191 @ 1:27:81 241 @ 1:52:63 461 @ 3:27:xx 51 @ 29:33 81 @ 42:46 182 @ 1:25:66 335 @ 2:31:73 139 @ 1:12:26 241 @ 1:58:36 411 @ 3:07:75 227 @ 1:47:81 500 @ 3:45:36 128 @ 1:08:41 441 @ 3:21:91 329 @ 2:30:20 273 @ 2:15:93 215 @ 1:38:86 124 @ 1:02:93 500 @ 3:42:01 59 @ 52:65 128 @ 1:04:13 310 @ 2:20:08 337 @ 2:34:30 177 @ 1:26:50 323 @ 2:24:88 66 @ 34:25 35 @ 22:33 275 @ 2:05:65 153 @ 1:13:45 64 @ 0:33:51 489 @ 3:36:68 215 @ 1:39:48 441 @ 3:17:53 270 @ 2:05:80 239 @ 1:48:86 57 @ 32:58 30 @ 16:80 255 @ 1:59:86 67 @ 37:55 425 @ 3:12:91 69 @ 35:13 71 @ 0:36:06 368 @ 2:48:06 92 @ 47:23 173 @ 1:22:26 153 @ 1:16:78 47 @ 24:83 123 @ 1:10:88 246 @ 2:04:60 30 @ 19:46 213 @ 1:51:51 500 @ 3:33:66 (best) need to rest now
Day 1 (3/25/2010) 345 @ 2:52.65 283 @ 2:07.96 246 @ 1:58.61 280 @ 2:05.53 328 @ 2:27.06 399 @ 2:49.95 349 @ 2:31.56 196 @ 1:34.43 374 @ 2:39.93 335 @ 2:29.41 108 @ 0:55.46 099 @ 0:57.38 140 @ 1:14.96 300+: 06/13 (46%) 200+: 09/13 (69%) 100+: 12/13 (92%) COMMENTS: Nice consistency at first. Day 2 (3/26/2010) 181 @ 1:26.18 320 @ 2:26.98 279 @ 2:02.75 319 @ 2:27.25 348 @ 2:36.00 206 @ 1:43.80 186 @ 1:31.88 157 @ 1:17.60 111 @ 0:55.86 399 @ 2:48.23 121 @ 1:02.31 184 @ 1:28.41 300+: 04/12 (33%) 200+: 06/12 (50%) 100+: 12/12 (100%) Day 3 (3/27/2010) 168 @ 1:25.55 299 @ 2:20.18 272 @ 2:01.63 292 @ 2:13.50 405 @ 2:52.38 293 @ 2:14.63 219 @ 2:26.43 142 @ 1:12.46 196 @ 1:34.33 308 @ 2:13.86 364 @ 2:39.05 265 @ 1:59.20 329 @ 2:21.35 328 @ 2:21.60 266 @ 2:01.73 210 @ 1:37.60 220 @ 1:44.95 237 @ 1:48.78 199 @ 1:38.25 276 @ 2:07.61 111 @ 0:55.26 400+: 01/21 (5%) 300+: 06/21 (29%) 200+: 16/21 (76%) COMMENTS: It appears my favorite place to die is the 200 section... However, today held my first Carnival 400 break.
364 @ 2:41:28 273 @ 1:53:80 2xx @ something 372 @ 2:30:28 251 @ 1:50:36 299 @ 2:07:20 135 @ 1:04:31 Not a good day to play tetris, there are other games for me today. In particular, I fucking hate synchros.
Currently at 60 games logged. Not going to post them here, because I'm going to do a proper post with Excel data and graphs and everything.
Full log: all games are joystick, manual lock unless otherwise noted. 3/25/10 299 171 404 153 411 133 222 399 085 431 127 118 086 160 230 216 318 099 177 099 403 084 280 482 @ 3:27.31 153 321 410 249 398 398 387 180 151 110 175 087 241 258 305 227 231 125 252 269 131 357 403 059 260 259 176 239 224 109 342 199 427 074 092 196 311 209 109 227 133 097 134 500 @ 3:27.71 - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5737870 starting at 41:19 088 166 103 085 052 396 160 255 318 082 364 212 099 297 236 159 206 3/31/10 073 220 059 094 309 194 099 094 216 087 223 166 123 095 143 117 089 094 198 109 160 151 106 236 076 099 097 286 183 173 090 258 288 199 116 123 299 189 048 161 104 211 383 162 178 291 058 214 062 031 111 276 081 245 383 096 134 168 137 191 083 159 118 352 No M rank for me =(
The ".inp"s of mame are the ".er"s of eirstt - more or less So yea, I played with eirstt not mame but since it's possible to convert ".inp"s to ".er"s and vice versa I don't see any problem with that. I'll release a new version of eirstt soon so everybody can convince him/herself that's accurate.