TC TGM TOP 10

[Amnesia]

It is just for fun..Please don't see any fachist intention with the idea of classing people..I know that some players here hates that but I just wanted to see..
I propose to edit our TOP TGM 10 player list and see if everybody think the same or not..ONLY TGM skill (TGM/TAP/TI) and nothing else !
Here is mine :



---------------TGM--TAPM--TAPD--TIM---TIS
-1--Kevin------(Gm---GM----GM---MM---12XX)
-2--c_t--------(Gm---M-----GM---MO---12XX)
-3--jago-------(Gm---GM----GM---m6----500)
-4--DIGITAL----(Gm---M-----M----MV---1300)
-5--Edo--------(Gm---M-----GM---MV---12XX)
-6--kitaru-----(Gm---GM----M----MK----5XX)
-7--rednefed---(Gm---M-----GM---MK---11XX)
-8--Amnesia----(Gm---M-----M----M-----9XX)
-9--Rosti------(Gm---M-----M----m9---11XX)
10--DHE--------(Gm---M-----M----m6----500)

EXTRA RANK : BATFLY (= show what you do out of TAP)

[Ai]

Very difficult to compose a top 10. How does one rate the difficulty of the different games?

I agree with your top 3. colour_thief is overall the best player because he plays a lot of modes in which he's most of the time at the top. Though jago is clearly the better player in the main TGM and TAP modes. I would put you 4th and the rest is a lot more difficult to position.

But I believe that one must at least be in the TGM1, TAP Master and TAP T.A. Death top 10 or very close to be in the overall Western TGM top 10. I say this because those are the modes that most people are playing over here.

[Rosti LFC]

Going on leaderboards, rednefed should be above Kevin. He's Death M, higher on both Special Ti and TAP Master. Kevin is only marginally ahead for Sudden Ti.

I'd tentatively suggest Digital shouldn't be that high, but that's only really on the basis that his outdated TAP scores are quite low down on the leaderboards. His Ti scores are still damn amazing.

Other than that, I can't really argue any of the other points. I think it's very hard to split between 3rd and 7th because we're all good at different modes and games. I don't know matt's scores on Sudden/Special Ti though.

[Amnesia]

Red and kevin ? I don't know...
Red has just a young and shy DEATH M, if I had not considered the TI M ROLL performance of kevin yesterday, maybe I would have put kevin behind red..
Don't forget the TI WORLD ability of kevin..

[Rosti LFC]

Don't forget the TI WORLD ability of kevin..
I don't think the Ti World ability is that revolutionary, given that he plays it quite a lot. I'm pretty sure if I bothered to drop ARS for a week in favour of SRS I could get similar performances. I've only had a handful of runs on Blockbox Expert Ti with SRS and I can get over 500 pretty consistently.
I mean, I got Death Gm with SRS after only half an hour or so of playing.

Completed credit roll is very impressive, but I think given their similarities on the leaderboards for Ti modes, with rednefed being considerably faster in Special Ti as well, the difference in TAP ability easily pushes things in red's favour.

[rednefed]

My m-roll sucks and my TAP is very, very inconsistent (honestly, death m was a very lucky shot) so make of that what you will.

[Amnesia]

shit..I had forgoten EIhoppe, it is too hard actually..There is no any constant rule to describe the quantity of skill for each mode.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
I was expecting to get some attempt of ranking by some people, but you are more prudent than me..

[KevinDDR]

I need to update my TAP and TGM1 scores...I have a orange line S6 in Master and a 12min GM in TGM1 now. Give me a day or two. Also in Special Ti I now have a 6:48 time, but that's still probably too slow. Another thing is that I am very close to clearing the TAP M-Roll, only 10-15 secs remaining on average.

EDIT: NO!!! Don't give me a day! I WILL DO IT TONIGHT!!!

I agree with the list, mostly. I was surprised Kitaru didn't show up somewhere, though.

[Rosti LFC]

I agree with the list, mostly. I was surprised Kitaru didn't show up somewhere, though.

He was there until EIHoppe usurped him.

[caffeine]

The NonTerror_caffeine26_2009-4-23

Goal
Find leaderboard combining TGM1, TAP Master, and TAP Death rankings.

Method
First take the top 32 TGM finishers. Keep only the names that appear on the TAP Master and TAP Death also. Make three new leaderboards for each mode, but containing only the isolated names. Add up the rankings and sort in ascending order.

Data (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plvXjzGAyfVnddeXUeauacA)

Results
1   jago
2   CT
3   Amnesia
4   dehacked
5   edo
6   matt_hatter
6   cyberguile
8   rosti
9   digital
10   rednefed
11   kitaru
12   mfm005
13   eihoppe
13   etherstorm
15   lost
16   billmaan
16   mushroom
18   taratang
19   shade
20   statikeffeck
21   ken
22   poochy
23   gila
24   deepdorp
25   petitprince
25   quad

[Amnesia]

few months ago I was working on a formulation pretty good including a coeficient, relative to the number of player..Something very close to your method but a bit more complex and accurate..The project had been rejected by everybody..

I really don't see why TGM and TAP should be considered as more important than TI..

[caffeine]

I didn't include TGM3 since there's not enough reliable data.

[Ai]

It's not like I was trying to say that TGM or TAP are more important. The best players should be ranked high in the main modes of the 3 games. That is all. But seeing as not everyone plays all games equally this is very difficult to do.

And I wasn't targetting Kevin as I know he can do much better. Just like I believe DIGITAL would be ranked higher in TGM and TAP if he tried seriously.

So how would you rank the games on difficulty? Are they all equally important? Certainly not for sure. They all are difficult in some way if you want to be truly good at them.

[Rosti LFC]

caffeine's method hurts me pretty hard on account of my complete lack of interest in TGM1 time-attack.

[Amnesia]

Yes, TGM1 is mainly a matter of patience, and optimisation for DAS and lock delay finesse..but from 11min to 9min, I don't think we can say that there is a real gap of skill..Much less imo than a TI master finished in 6min and another in 5min..

[colour_thief]

Yes, TGM1 is mainly a matter of patience, and optimisation for DAS and lock delay finesse..but from 11min to 9min, I don't think we can say that there is a real gap of skill..Much less imo than a TI master finished in 6min and another in 5min..

It's weird because I think the exact opposite... Going from 11 minutes to 9 minutes is incredible.

[Rosti LFC]

Yes, TGM1 is mainly a matter of patience, and optimisation for DAS and lock delay finesse..but from 11min to 9min, I don't think we can say that there is a real gap of skill..Much less imo than a TI master finished in 6min and another in 5min..

It's weird because I think the exact opposite... Going from 11 minutes to 9 minutes is incredible.
I don't know if he didn't mean "11:xx" when he said 11 min, rather than 11:00:00.

Not really sure though. I think finishing TGM1 in 9 minutes flat and Ti in 5 minutes flat are both amazing feats.

[caffeine]

I was going to do a TAP Master and TAP Death combo, but I lacked the will power after I finished the first one (hey, I don't even play the damn games!).

[colour_thief]

Not really sure though. I think finishing TGM1 in 9 minutes flat and Ti in 5 minutes flat are both amazing feats.

No doubt, but the change in skill level is greater in TGM1. 11:00 means you're good enough to get GM on demand, and 9:00 means you're practically the best.

[K]

Yes, TGM1 is mainly a matter of patience, and optimisation for DAS and lock delay finesse..but from 11min to 9min, I don't think we can say that there is a real gap of skill..Much less imo than a TI master finished in 6min and another in 5min..

qu'est ce qu'il faut pas lire... WTF are you writing ?

RIP.

[Amnesia]

To be honest, I was already doubting about what I wrote only few minutes after..So it is ok, I was wrong in making that comparison.

[K]

Amnesia for the Win...

[Amnesia]

I have been solicited to update so...
Go on the 1st page...:rolleyes:

[orz]

im underrated yall

[orz]

althoough technically i dont play tgm hehe

[Rosti LFC]

For Edo to be that many places ahead of me he should post some of his damn records :colbert:

[K]

Yes, TGM1 is mainly a matter of patience, and optimisation for DAS and lock delay finesse..but from 11min to 9min, I don't think we can say that there is a real gap of skill..Much less imo than a TI master finished in 6min and another in 5min..

Quote of the year... :v

[Amnesia]

For Edo to be that many places ahead of me he should post some of his damn records


Since I know what this bastard does on TI, trust me he deserves this place.:mad:

[SWR]

My only skill is Ti. I'm sufficient at TGM1, but never posted, and I've yet to try TAP. I'd say I'm top 20 if I did. If I worked at it, I could make top 10. Meh.

[KevinDDR]

If you'd said that you could make top 12 in TAP Master, I'd believe you. The fact is that it's pretty damn hard to get M in TAP Master, considerably harder than it is to, say, get m8 or m9 in Ti. Still, you might be right. TAP is hard but I think you're up to the challenge. Let me know when you get bored with Ti :P

[cyberguile]

Hum, I should start and play Ti to get in the top 10 :)

[K]

My only skill is Ti. I'm sufficient at TGM1, but never posted, and I've yet to try TAP. I'd say I'm top 20 if I did. If I worked at it, I could make top 10. Meh.
anybody could, but when ?

Qualified S9 is not bad it TI but 10% of the work to GM, i don't think you can get M in less than 1 year in TAP. :sowsuser:

WESTERN RANKING


Rank--Name-----------------Grad - Lvl @ M. Time - Date -

1--K----------------------Gm - 999 @ 08:13:90 - 05/30/10 -
================================================== ===================
2--KevinDDR---------------Gm - 999 @ 08:30:05 - 07/11/10
3--Kitaru-----------------Gm - 999 @ 08:37:85 - 12/07/09 -
================================================== ===================
4--Edo---------------------M - 999 @ 08:15:20 - 11/19/09 -
5--Amnesia-----------------M - 999 @ 08:16:98 - 06/05/10 -
6--colour_thief------------M - 999 @ 08:20:80 - 11/04/09 -
7--cyberguile--------------M - 999 @ 08:23:18 - 06/04/10
8--DeHackEd----------------M - 999 @ 08:27:00 - 05/29/10 -
9--TWF---------------------M - 999 @ 08:33:43 - 07/09/10 -
10--batfly------------------M - 999 @ 08:39:90 - 12/27/09
11--rednefed----------------M - 999 @ 08:40:35 - 05/30/10
================================================== ===================
12--Rosti LFC--------------S9 - 999 @ 08:52:65 - 08/09/09 -
13--kx5--------------------S9 - 999 @ 08:57:60 - 07/20/10 -
14--mfm005-----------------S9 - 999 @ 09:01:65 - 05/30/10 -
15--DIGITAL----------------S9 - 999 @ 09:09:18 - 04/27/07 -
16--EIHoppe----------------S9 - 999 @ 09:18:46 - 12/15/09 -
17--mushroom---------------S9 - 999 @ 09:18:95 - 05/18/09 -
18--an ass-----------------S9 - 999 @ 09:19:08 - 06/16/10 -
19--LOst-------------------S9 - 999 @ 09:22:15 - 01/06/10 -
20--Free-------------------S9 - 999 @ 09:37:56 - 05/15/10 -

[SWR]

Meant top 10 in the average of all three games.

[KevinDDR]

Hmm...

[SWR]

indeed...

[Rosti LFC]

I doubt it... that'd mean beating me and stuff :|

[Amnesia]

Don't waste your time to watch the current leaderboards, there is some subtil data to consider, the scores of DIGITAL on both TAP MASTER and DEATH are better than mine, and edo hides his records on TI..
Also I repeat, this leaderboard is mainly subjectif, from my personnal analysis, how can we compare the suprematy of jago in TAP MASTER with his shitty level on TI ?! I placed c_t above him only because imo the global level in the whole serie he has, deserves a little bit more respect than jago, who is godness only on TGM and TAP MASTER.

[Amnesia]

---------------TGM--TAPM--TAPD--TIM---TIS
-1--Kevin------(Gm---GM----GM---MM---12XX)------- AMERICA
-2--c_t--------(Gm---M-----GM---MO---12XX)------- AMERICA
-3--jago-------(Gm---GM----GM---m6----500)------- EUROPE
-4--DIGITAL----(Gm---M-----GM---MV---1300)------- AMERICA
-5--Edo--------(Gm---M-----GM---MV---12XX)------- EUROPE
-6--kitaru-----(Gm---GM----M----MK----5XX)------- AMERICA
-7--rednefed---(Gm---M-----GM---MK---11XX)------- AMERICA
-8--Amnesia----(Gm---M-----M----M-----9XX)------- EUROPE
-9--Rosti------(Gm---M-----M----m9---11XX)------- EUROPE
10--DHE--------(Gm---M-----M----m6----500)------- AMERICA

I have considered the true performances and NOT only what we can see on the leaderboards.
For me Rosti is M on TAP MASTER and DIGITAL is really a DEATH GM.

Sorry Edo, but I enough suffered recently because of you.
That is my revenge, FSY first, and now that, your TI secret performances.

[Ai]

Very nice Edo! I suppose you first want to get your hands on Ti before posting. ^^

[Amnesia]

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[batfly]

Thanks for the mention, I will try to play Special Ti in Texmaster for a while, and see where I can end up ranking with that.

Though I probably have the worst intellectual understanding of complex TGM game mechanics on the whole site, haha.