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Webby
09-20-2006, 12:12 AM
I'm playing against one of my best friends and we alternate in breaking eachothers scores, pushing our limits in marathon and line clear. Line clear stopped after getting only tetrisses at speed 20, height 5. So I figured out that the following counts as t-spin:


| T        |
|TTT       |
| XXXXXXXXX|

|T         |
|TT        |
|TXXXXXXXXX|

And that the same thing also works in this situation:

|L         |
|L T       |
|LTTT      |
|L XXXXXXXX|

|L         |
|LT        |
|LTT       |
|LTXXXXXXXX|

But so far it only got my score with only tetrisses and 5 t-spins to 212.500.

When I look on cyberscore it gets me on the 10th place. How do they get those insane scores. Sully should at least be able to explain something, since he's 2nd http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
Rosti LFC
09-20-2006, 12:29 AM
There's some info on this thread:

http://www.tetrisconcept.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=182 (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=182)


The key to large scores is t-spin doubles and triples. The S/T setup is the way to get huge ones.
Webby
09-20-2006, 12:45 AM
Thanks, i found the link. I'll post it here for reference: link (http://dtet.web.infoseek.co.jp/fumen/?v095_40pcF3ibG3ibG3jbF3ibG3ibG3jbF3ibG3ibG3jbF3ib ?G3ibG3jbF3ibG3pbA4G7eIKfBFgBvfBFbBvaBFWBvVBFRBA?R BfcF3i01F96BF2C3).
tetrisdude
09-20-2006, 12:45 AM
i recommend a lot of triple t-spins on 20 g http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Sully
09-20-2006, 01:10 AM
Actually, it's all about using the "ST Stack" method to get t-spin doubles, which are worth the most points per line. On height 0, with a perfect run of 13 straight t-spin doubles, you can get well over 400k. You need to start at height 2 and have a perfect run to break 500k.


I'm at 468k and practicing daily, hellbent on breaking 500k.
Webby
09-20-2006, 01:50 AM
So far i manage to get 3 t-spin doubles (ST-method) and then i mess up so bad it can't be finished anymore. Unfortunatly my battery is empty now. I don't strive for the 400 or 500k so far. just want to break my 212.500. One goal at a time http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
Sully
09-20-2006, 02:19 AM
ST stacking takes tons of practice. On Line Clear, I'm yet to get a perfect 25 line run, and on Marathon I've only made it to 30 lines once (without screwing up). A perfect Marathon run would be over 3 million.
tetrisdude
09-20-2006, 02:21 AM
ST stacking takes tons of practice. On Line Clear, I'm yet to get a perfect 25 line run, and on Marathon I've only made it to 30 lines once (without screwing up). A perfect Marathon run would be over 3 million.could you explain the "ST" stacking method?
tepples
09-20-2006, 02:34 AM
The ST double setup is superficially similar to one of the t-spin triple setups but allegedly much easier.


First build a lot of this, and then drop an S and spin a T:

  |          |    |          |
  |    XXXXXX|    |    XXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |   XXXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |   XXXXXXX|
  |    XXXXXX|    |    XXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |   XXXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX| => |   XXXXXXX|
  |    XXXXXX|    |STTTXXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |SSTXXXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    | S XXXXXXX|


Each iteration of this leaves behind a row of blocks. Eventually you'll get a few rows of predictable garbage, which you can use for tetrises:
  |          |    |          |
  |    XXXXXX|    |    XXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |   XXXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |   XXXXXXX|
  |    XXXXXX|    |    XXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |   XXXXXXX|
  |   XXXXXXX|    |   XXXXXXX|
  | X XXXXXXX| => |IXIXXXXXXX|
  | X XXXXXXX|    |IXIXXXXXXX|
  | X XXXXXXX|    |IXIXXXXXXX|
  | X XXXXXXX|    |IXIXXXXXXX|



EDIT: I wikified this in [[ST stacking (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/../wiki/index.php/ST_stacking)]].
tetrisdude
09-20-2006, 04:04 AM
oh ok
Sully
09-20-2006, 04:43 AM
Sorry to go off topic, but how'd you manage that 8300 rating?
tetrisdude
09-20-2006, 08:58 AM
Sorry to go off topic, but how'd you manage that 8300 rating?to be completely honest i just played a ton of games....And did really good and i hoping to continue my winning streak. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Sully
09-20-2006, 09:01 AM
Winning Streak? I've gone on mad tears before and I've never even sniffed 8k!
Billmaan
09-20-2006, 09:35 AM
I'm at 468k and practicing daily, hellbent on breaking 500k.For what it's worth, a perfect run on 20-4 capped with a TST should be just enough to break 500k. Ending with a TSD instead is much easier, but leaves you just a little bit short (see: my current score on cyberscore).


I'm really curious as to how people have managed scores well above 500k. I would presume that they work in some TSTs somewhere, but wow...setting up TSTs gracefully is a tall order. In theory you could probably also pull off an ST stack run on 20-5, but in practice I always top out near the end.
Sully
09-20-2006, 09:40 AM
According to my calculations, a perfect run (13 t-spin doubles) on 20-2 will score 501600. The first is worth 26400, the rest are worth 36600.


Or am I missing something?
Sully
09-20-2006, 10:24 AM
EDIT: I wikified this in [[ST stacking (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/../wiki/index.php/ST_stacking)]].


There is a better way to build for tetrises where you use an L and a J insetad of an S and the stack stays perfect:


http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1898/st9nh9.pnghttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2361/st10cm6.pnghttp://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2240/st11ip2.pnghttp://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4136/st12ew2.pnghttp://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3713/st13sj7.pnghttp://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7892/st14dh0.pnghttp://img140.imageshack.us/img140/751/st15cr2.png
sihumchai
09-20-2006, 10:54 AM
Brilliant stuff. ST stacking is new to me.


And Sully, nice work on the gifs. The colours gives better understanding for me http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif
Webby
09-20-2006, 01:10 PM
My first goal will be 3 TSD's and then finsihing it with tetrisses, something like this:


|   XXXXXXX|
|  LXXXXXXX|
| SLXXXXXXX|
| SLXXXXXXX|
| SLXXXXXXX|

The same can be done with 4 and 5 TSD's, so i can try one more every time i succeed ...
Sully
09-20-2006, 06:27 PM
There are a bunch of ways to get around an imperfect stack (leaving three rows between the space instead of two), and I'll illustrate all those when I get a chance.


Maybe I'll mess with The TOOL to try to make an animation.



On a sidenote, you can't afford to clear Tetrises in Line Clear, but you have to in order to not top out in Marathon.
Billmaan
09-20-2006, 07:08 PM
According to my calculations, a perfect run (13 t-spin doubles) on 20-2 will score 501600. The first is worth 26400, the rest are worth 36600.

Or am I missing something?Can you really avoid clearing any tetrises on 20-2? I suppose that makes sense -- you only have to clear one on 20-4, and it has four more lines of garbage.


Well, damn. Guess I have to go break 500k now.
Sully
09-20-2006, 11:20 PM
Well, damn. Guess I have to go break 500k now.


You're definitely going to have to since I'm not stopping until I do and you seem to revel in outdoing me =O


I'm still waiting for my Max Detonation Surface Area to be bested- what are you waiting for?
Webby
09-21-2006, 12:45 AM
Well i've been trying for 3 hours now. My fingers are sore now. I managed to get 4 TSDs for 3 times, but every time made a hole before my last tetris http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

*edit*


It took me another hour but i reached my first goal. 4 tspins and tetrisses to finish. My score is now 252.000 instead of 212.500 http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif