[Heboris] Beginner Tamaya Trial

[EIHoppe]

We've got a TAP Normal scoreboard, so why not compete with a clone of it's younger, flashier cousin?

Default Heboris rules apply, use UE C7V4 (or equivalent) or later, three previews, use either TI-World or TI-ARS.

If you lack the UE, head over here (http://www.debriqueetdebloc.fr/telecharger/Heboris%20Packages.zip) or here (http://143.homelinux.com/tetris/Heboris_Packages.zip) to snag yourself a copy.

Rotation: TI-World
Name Tamaya Lvl Time
===========================================

rednefed -----------1109 200 03:03:45
EIHoppe ------------ 750 200 02:46:66
TWF ------------- 610 200 02:24:60
Amnesia ------------ 573 200 02:32:45

Rotation: TI-ARS
Name Tamaya Lvl Time
===========================================

rednefed -----------1631 200 --:--:--
TWF ------------- 862 200 02:30:01
Amnesia ------------ 732 200 02:27:18
EIHoppe ------------ 543 200 02:51:45

Rotation: ACE-ARS2
Name Tamaya Lvl Time
===========================================

rednefed -----------1922 200 --:--:--
Amnesia ------------ 657 200 02:50:58

[DIGITAL]

You're expecting me to play like this!? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSDouKw_7s

[tepples]

You're expecting me to play like this!? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSDouKw_7s

No. I'm expecting you to play Tetris, not FantaVision (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TWKqPiCq5I). http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[EIHoppe]

No, I'm not awarding bonuses for Starmines.


Er...nevermind.


~EI

[Zaphod77]

Ah yes. Hebo's version of ti3-beginner.


I can reach the credit roll on big.

[rednefed]

Have we forgotten this mode in the midst of all the TAP Normal wars? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

With ACE-ARS2: 784 @ 3:09:15

With TI-ARS: 704 @ 2:40:65


Difference in time because I was able to abuse the levelstop in the ARS2 run.

[Amnesia]

Amnesia ------------ 524     200   02:14:71

Hmm.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

[rednefed]

As an example of how bad I am at SRS


TI-World

rednefed ----------- 486     200   03:32:63

Methinks I will stick with ARS. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

[Amnesia]

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Not really better for me.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

[EIHoppe]

Amnesia, what are you talking about?


You got Konami (573 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami)) for a score, of course it's better. =P


~EI

[Kitaru]

Haha, I was beaten to the 573 reference. Despite that, 573 LOLOL.

[rednefed]

Ti-ARS


rednefed ----------- 764     200   02:55:83
Levelstop abuse ftw?

[Amnesia]

Ti-ARS

Code:

rednefed ----------- 764 200 02:55:83

Levelstop abuse ftw?


I don't find it funny.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif I abuse as well with the lv stop and I can't reach 600.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif

[rednefed]

Here's a replay of a 729. I use the same strategy as in TAP Normal mode, but of course there's 3 previews and a hold. No levelstop abuse, and I definitely could have done the credit roll better.


replay11.sav (http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/REPLAY11.SAV)

[Amnesia]

Here's a replay of a 729. I use the same strategy as in TAP Normal mode, but of course there's 3 previews and a hold. No levelstop abuse, and I definitely could have done the credit roll better.

replay11.sav


Hmm.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif So 5 lines..[/code]

[rednefed]

TI-ARS

http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/easy887.jpg
Replay download (http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/REPLAY09.SAV)


I don't get it. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

I tried a one-block start as opposed to the 5, and still ended up with a 6-hitter and 80 fireworks, which is solidly average. This combo left me with a 3-block start, and with a good stack, got an 8-combo (my first, I think!) worth 164 fireworks. The third combo was nothing special, and the 100-200 section finish was abysmal.


The credit roll performance was crappy, as the uneven stacking and poor rotations/IRS cost me dearly after the combo. But still, 100 fireworks over my old record, and I don't see why. =P

[Amnesia]

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What the fuck... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

[rednefed]

Mwahahaha! Broke 1000!


TI-ARS

rednefed ----------- 1045    200   02:55:46

Replay here (http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/REPLAY13.SAV).

Bonus: replay of an 890 (http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/replay08.sav) here.

No competition?
ACE-ARS2
rednefed ---------- 899    200   02:37:36

[Amnesia]

I just got 646..
I don't understand..What's the hell with this fucking mode..I abuse of the level stop, I only perform long combos like redfened, I agree that I did not performed one game as good as his 1000+, but I still don't understand the so big difference.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

[Zaphod77]

AS i understand it, you get much more fireworks in the credit roll.

So it's credit roll performance that's probably the difference.

[rednefed]

Have a replay, Amnesia?
For a while, I was stuck at 640-750 depending on credit roll performance, now I can often hit 800.

[Amnesia]

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I think you will stay the master here redfened..I am bored..
FUCK YOU !!!!!!! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

if you want to give me some tips..Here is the replay of my last score..

http://www.sendspace.com/file/obm6dj

(The "upload attachment" option seems to not work here..is it normal ?)

[rednefed]

Well, I always try to stack the same way every combo. Try not to get non-combo line clears, since those raise the level counter and aren't worth a whole lot of Tamaya. And if you must, try for a t-spin (may as well get a few extra tamaya, and start back-to-back.) I will often make a single or two after a combo to get the stack stable, but that's it.

Credit roll: you're a much better 20G player than I am, but unlike master mode it helps to have a flat stack at the top so you can move a variety of tetrominoes into your funnel. I've found that a 1, 2, or 3-high column #9 work fine, with 2 being the best and 3 being the worst for some reason. Maybe because you can score triples with J and L with the 2-high, and those are worth more Tamaya than doubles, and the bonus will offset the loss of Tamaya from setting up the column 9 again with a single. Also, with the 3 high, if you start off with an I triple, you have less of the stack to play with when your combo gets big, which means you lose out on Tamaya. Don't stack up your column 9 (or 10, as it might be in some cases) since comboing becomes harder - that happened a couple times in your replay.

Oh, and I made a new record:
http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/easy1069.jpg
Replay (http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/REPLAY07.SAV)

Yeah I know, I dilly-dallied on a few pieces and the second combo was cut short due to starting with a tetris, but I broke 1000 again!
I also made rank 3 with 913. It scares me that this is pretty much the best I can do, and there's an even better way to game the fireworks (MOM's videos, now removed from YouTube) where you can score 1500 or better.

[rednefed]

I'm not done yet. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

ACE-ARS2: 952 tamaya, 2:30:11.

[Amnesia]

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Pff..no comment..
I just don't want to let you alone in ace ars 2, I know how hard it is to don't have any competitor in a domain..
I am sorry but this try was my 2nd and last for a while.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[jujube]

http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/easy1069.jpg
wait a second, how is there 1 back-to-back heboris, but 0 heboris'? is this some bug in the statkeeping? i downloaded the replay but it doesn't show up in the replay section in hebomini.

Yeah I know, I dilly-dallied on a few pieces and the second combo was cut short due to starting with a tetris
so you had 1 tetris that was not back-to-back?

[tepples]

Apparently, a back-to-back line clear doesn't show up twice. If it's B2B, it shows up only in the B2B count, not the ordinary count.

As for why you have a back-to-back HEBORIS and no ordinary HEBORIS, that's because of T-spins. If the scorekeeping is anything like Tetris DS, a T-spin line clear sets the B2B flag just like a 4-line clear does. So if you make a TSD then a HEBORIS with no line clears between them, the HEBORIS is counted as back-to-back.

[jujube]

Apparently, a back-to-back line clear doesn't show up twice. If it's B2B, it shows up only in the B2B count, not the ordinary count.
which is very strange. Lockjaw, Tetris Zone, and Tetris Friends accurately display your total tetrises during and/or after the game being played, and TFriends shows your B2B tetrises as equal to or less than "tetrises".

something tells me this difference in Heboris is a bug. why would you want to know your total non-B2B tetrises instead of total tetrises...

in a situation where the player makes more non-B2B than B2B tetrises, the non-B2B count could easily be confused as the total, and if you're unable to watch the replay you'll have no way of figuring out how the score was reached http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[rednefed]

Total tetrises = the HEBORIS count + the b2b HEBORIS. I don't see the problem with counting things this way, though it might be unorthodox. Heboris will count T-spin clears the same way.

In that replay, I T-spin doubled, thus starting b2b, and then got a heboris, which registered as b2b.

[jujube]

Total tetrises = the HEBORIS count + the b2b HEBORIS. I don't see the problem with counting things this way, though it might be unorthodox.
right, there isn't a problem if you know what you're looking at. i think "total tetrises" is more significant than "non-b2b tetrises" anyway, and should be the one displayed. for some reason this bothers the hell out of me http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif
never mind my nitpicking.

[tepples]

Should a back-to-back T-spin double be counted both in the "double" and "T-spin double" stats? If not, then why should it be counted in both the "T-spin double" and "back-to-back T-spin double" stats? As far as I can tell, Heboris is just following once and only once (http://c2.com/xp/OnceAndOnlyOnce.html).

right, there isn't a problem if you know what you're looking at. i think "total tetrises" is more significant than "non-b2b tetrises" anyway
It's like the perennial debate about true TPM vs. Quadra-style active TPM that disregards entry and line clear delays. At first, Lockjaw displayed only true TPM until 0.35 when I added active TPM on request from Cubicz. Then a few versions later, caffeine complained that displaying two TPM values confused him.

[rednefed]

I am no longer pitiful with SRS. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

546 tamaya @ 3:35:71.

[rednefed]

Getting closer to 600 in SRS. This is one leaderboard I can be somewhere near the top of. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/world596.jpg

[Amnesia]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8555/easy732rm5.jpg

I hate this mode..
Why am I playing it ??!
I hate it and it hates me..

[TWF]

661 tamaya in ARS, 2:58:05.

EDIT: 610 in World, first try. 2:24:60.

[rednefed]

I can take charge of this topic if needed.

ACE-ARS2: 1104 tamaya.
200 @ 2:46:70.

Replay (http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/REPLAY13.SAV).

[EIHoppe]

Nah, I still have it under control. =)

I've just been silently updating behind the scenes, as is my lurker nature. Speaking of, leaderboard should be updated as of this post (only was missing Radish's and rednefed's latest scores anyways, two posts isn't bad!), so keep 'em coming!

What was the time on that 1104ARS2 by the way? I don't currently have Hebo on my laptop and I'm feeling sufficiently lazy as not to want to drag through Google at 3AM on New Years Day.

Good to see people playing this at any rate. I might just have to re-get Heboris and join you again.

~EI

[rednefed]

You can win Ti-World for now... I can't wrap my head around how those S and Z's rotate and get stuck in the 20G credit roll.
But I'll tenaciously fight for second place.

http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/world623.jpg
Ti-WORLD
623 tamaya
200 @ 3:50:46

(The ACE-ARS2 time from above was 2:46:70.)

[rednefed]

Ti-World
200 @ 3:07:08
702 Tamaya

[rednefed]

Ti-World
http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/world1109.jpg
1109 tamaya, 200 @ 3:03:45

Ti-ARS
http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/tiars1321.jpg
1321 tamaya, 200 @ 2:51:20

ACE-ARS2
http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/ars21460.jpg
1460 tamaya, 200 @ 2:54:10

[Ai]

Impressive scores rednefed. It would be nice if you could share the replays if you have them. Thanks in advance! ^^

[rednefed]

I guess this is dead. No one seems to play heboris anymore.
But I got 1922 tamaya through some judicious uses of t-spins. Replay on request.

[Ai]

I'd like to see the replay. Thanks! ^^

Was this Ti-ARS? That's a big improvement. Next year I'll focus more on Ti. This mode looks like a good place to start practicing Hold.

[rednefed]

It was ACE-ARS2, but to be honest, it's not like I needed the infinity at all. (Okay, just a bit in the credit roll due to a slight miscue) I just leave heboris set to that rotation since Texy doesn't offer it.

Replay: http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/REPLAY04.SAV
Be sure to set your t-spin detection to Ti-style, otherwise you'll have a pretty hard time breaking 800-900.

Edit: New Ti-ARS record, 1459 tamaya

[Amnesia]

Piece of cake..Now that I saw the thing, I understand.

Ofcourse, you still deserve my admiration, because you performed it first, I will just copy your style.

[Ai]

Nice job rednefed. This isn't exactly what I was expecting. Basically this is almost the same strategy that we've been using for TAP Normal score attack. Shouldn't be too hard to adapt my playstyle for this mode. On the other hand what MOM and colour_thief do in Ti Easy is not easy. ^^

EDIT:

Can someone tell me how I can disable the ideal piece placement ghost? I asked this before and someone helped me out, but I forgot how to do it... ^^;

[rednefed]

In Tamaya trial there are no twist bonuses, probably no weird stuff like 30-second bonuses, or combo bonuses going into the credits. It's very straightforward: big, big combos with a very heavy emphasis on T-spins. Notice how the last T-spin in the replay gives me something like 500 tamaya? That's more than most people's total score in one clear!
Therefore, you don't need to stack like MOM or CT do; just avoid singles like the plague and hope the randomizer plays well.

Edit: Ai, it's something in heboris.ini
And yet another Ti-ARS record, replay here (http://defender.arcimpulse.com/TC/REPLAY13.SAV). 1631 Tamaya.

[TWF]

Ti-ARS: 862 tamaya, 2:30:01

[Amnesia]

And yet another Ti-ARS record, replay here. 1631 Tamaya.
1 Day Ago 04:15 PM


That's unbelievable, just before entering in the staff roll, you have almost my current record (860), It is astonishing how those shitty single tspin are powerfull. I noticed something very weird : just before level 100, a single tspin followed by a single with a I, this single gave you ~ 100 pts.o_O

[Amnesia]

Finaly 1000+.
And the most stupid in this story is that I insisted so many hours to try without the tspin detection correctly set.
Now red your days are counted..:twisted:

[Amnesia]

Amazing bug :

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3f3ca6

Recorded from my camera,

first I thought that I had performed a secret tspin form with an infinite point reward, I was satisfacted in thinking "holy shit !! 1800-2000 + !!! YEAHH"

then I realised that my game was completely fucked up..:|
Before you ask : the replay runs normaly..

[Ai]

WTF was that?! How did that happen? LOL! ^^

[KevinDDR]

It's happened to me before as well.