[TAP] Death

[colour_thief]

The best known performance is :

WR--309--------------------Gm - 999 @ 04:52:61 - 09/--/11


NAME ------------- Lvl @ Time | Other Videos
====================================|============= ============================
batfly ------------ 999 @ 5:32:70 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU2iNcFrDGo) |
Amnesia ----------- 999 @ 5:51:40 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOn0uSeLt0) | 999 @ 6:05:41 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0_bQkMBYrA), 999 @ 6:10:68 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGPLCavucGM), 999 @ 6:31:86 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCH6kn3n5BI), 549 @ 3:15:53 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMECsqy4f8)
Kitaru ------------ 999 @ 6:01:86 | 999 @ 6:22:36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBuymgIh20); 949 @ 6:04:56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMBO-6aqnTU)
colour_thief ------ 999 @ 6:04:20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NXyid3ln1s) | 999 @ 6:19:86 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHfjc0xieIw), 999 @ 6:25:16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slgTfzEOZ_4)
Rosti LFC --------- 999 @ 6:10:03 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SO_HrSeC6w) | 919 @ 5:40:23 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBy4FXC14Ms)
KevinDDR ---------- 999 @ 6:11:35 | 928 @ 5:34:21 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAVcYtJgwoU), 599 @ 3:59:03 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNvlxQska-g)
rednefed ---------- 999 @ 6:15:86 |
K ----------------- 999 @ 6:24:31 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp25PxF2Ptc) | 999 @ 6:24:31 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp25PxF2Ptc), 999 @ 6:27:76 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86rr4IoNEcM), 999 @ 6:54:43 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgKo-IZ1FrU)
COL --------------- 999 @ 6:25:38 | 999 @ 6:29:96 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6HN89u2j6Q), 999 @ 6:35:45 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVicG5X8U_Q), 999 @ 6:40:11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0AC1lMytU8), 964 @ 6:26:11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3P1kccT5bw), 875 @ 5:45:01 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa-U-LTp4w), 795 @ 5:04:13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgSK3HNqPM&feature=recentu), 728 @ 4:55:30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xhUmZauFwk)
cyberguile -------- 999 @ 6:28:40 |
====================================|
DeHackEd ---------- 998 @ 6:17:40 |
Edo --------------- 998 @ 6:23:55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9g1WrWHRZs) |
mat --------------- 964 @ 6:01:41 | 881 @ 5:43:63 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMuhF2z9vnI)
shoryu ------------ 837 @ 5:22:90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqKHv_dPuno) | 554 @ 3:43:63 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STHwJhStfAQ), 522 @ 3:23:30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soZvAyBuia0)
TWF --------------- 699 @ 4:31:86 | 610 @ 3:59:50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKumIirL-d4), 542 @ 3:41:88 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR_yXcXf61A)
kx5 --------------- 679 @ 4:20:55 |
DDRKirby(ISQ) ----- 664 @ 4:15:60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg1F-SdbZEk) | 541 @ 3:32:38 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kePfXk7lIMA), 540 @ 3:37:18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9g7mssvOwQ), 500 @ 3:38:31 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAzLLhEcGZk)
EIHoppe ----------- 661 @ 4:03:98 |
kotetsu213 -------- 599 @ 3:57:15 |
Billmaan ---------- 581 @ 3:50:73 | 526 @ 3:32:96 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNuxhYRHq7Q)
steadshot --------- 571 @ 3:49:81 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dtWZZwK_1w) |
sjoecool1991 ------ 561 @ 3:40:41 | 547 @ 3:39:15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARRu_mP5G2E&feature=sub)
DIGITAL ----------- 552 @ 3:27:43 |
Ai ---------------- 549 @ 3:40:93 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moTuJRF0v6A) | 500 @ 3:28:01 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPk0l2o6LWQ)
clincher ---------- 548 @ 3:40:96 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_bh7WV6tzs) |
Report ------------ 534 @ 3:31:35 |
Caithness --------- 524 @ 3:34:06 |
Samael ------------ 522 @ 3:26:78 |
an ass ------------ 519 @ 3:26:-- |
Deeem2031 --------- 516 @ 3:22:98 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMPE8Bmq-BA) |
kira -------------- 516 @ 3:29:08 |
etherstorm -------- 511 @ 3:29:41 |
Zircean ----------- 510 @ 3:22:98 |
====================================|
mfm005 ------------ 500 @ 3:27:86 |
Free -------------- 500 @ 3:33:01 |
mikehaggar -------- 500 @ 3:33:03 |
tada -------------- 500 @ 3:34:60 |
Goplat ------------ 500 @ 3:38:15 |
Taratang ---------- 500 @ 3:41:-- |
SimMarine --------- 500 @ 3:42:16 |
moonair ----------- 500 @ 3:45:65 |
Baxter ------------ 500 @ 4:05:31 |
PetitPrince ------- 500 @ 4:09:06 |
timc -------------- 499 @ 4:00:26 |
Tarto ------------- 497 @ 3:39:00 |
statikeffeck ------ 494 @ 3:46:21 |
mushroom ---------- 492 @ 3:36:96 |
cgwg -------------- 480 @ 3:42:28 |
necrosaro --------- 472 @ 3:38:48 |
Key --------------- 466 @ 3:20:91 |
overkiller -------- 462 @ 3:24:08 |
shade ------------- 457 @ 3:26:65 |
Red Star ---------- 450 @ 2:43:36 |
L0st -------------- 440 @ 3:31:20 |
Quad -------------- 439 @ 3:14:86 |
wksrdg ------------ 436 @ 3:28:51 |
Mr. Antisocial ---- 430 @ 3:32:33 |
CrazedRevenG ------ 424 @ 3:03:03 |
mufunyo ----------- 424 @ 3:18:80 |
tet2brik----------- 421 @ 3:32:76 |
Bou --------------- 420 @ 3:38:80 |
sixb0nes ---------- 415 @ 3:02:16 |
Xkeeper ----------- 415 @ -:--:-- |
cdsboy ------------ 410 @ 2:59:83 |
Poochy ------------ 410 @ 3:24:85 |
free -------------- 410 @ 3:31:88 |
Budster ----------- 402 @ 2:54:60 |
croikle ----------- 396 @ 3:32:56 |
Ray Ayanami ------- 381 @ 3:17:45 |
Air Gear ---------- 378 @ 3:13:31 |
deepdorp ---------- 373 @ 3:34:28 |
jujube ------------ 372 @ 3:17:48 |
Ken_P ------------- 363 @ 2:53:95 |
nicofromtokyo ----- 357 @ 3:14:71 |
Gaby -------------- 357 @ 3:26:21 |
NoTGhost ---------- 350 @ 3:26:25 |
toastyohs --------- 347 @ 3:31:51 |
gila -------------- 345 @ 3:18:30 |
-jay- ------------- 336 @ 3:23:60 |
MisterBenn--------- 334 @ 3:24:58 |
djvinc ------------ 331 @ -:--:-- |
Burbruee ---------- 324 @ 3:01:98 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Neh-GVdFd9E) |
SYN7HOR ----------- 323 @ 3:25:67 |
merpy ------------- 318 @ 3:18:38 |
Meroigo ----------- 314 @ 2:28:30 |
DrPete ------------ 312 @ 3:00:90 |
LadyLily ---------- 306 @ 2:36:31 |
====================================|
Kasumi ------------ 299 @ 2:29:86 |
Robert Griffin ---- 290 @ 3:06:80 |
Ezzelin ----------- 260 @ 2:41:53 |
Cubicz ------------ 240 @ 2:06:88 |
MizukiTHPS -------- 235 @ 2:17:76 |
Aru-san ----------- 222 @ -:--:-- |
LordPie ----------- 221 @ 2:23:61 |
m:) --------------- 209 @ 2:23:28 |
JenovaSephiroth --- 206 @ 2:14:65 |
sihumchai --------- 199 @ -:--:-- |
herc -------------- 195 @ 2:07:15 |
Crystory ---------- 140 @ 1:43:76 |
TheBlueDragon ----- 128 @ 1:30:31 |
kingmandrew ------- 128 @ -:--:-- |

(Leaderboard added to encourage people.)

The first M rank in TGM2 Death Mode by a Western player was attained recently by matt, with level 526. Congratulations and watch out man... Jago and I are close behind you. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

The race to GM is on!

[Taratang]

For the uneducated among us who haven't played tgm 2, what exactly is death mode? I'm assuming it starts at 20G, but what other differences are there?


To expand on that, does anyone have a summary of the modes in tgm 2? I'll track down the rom someday...

[Ephphatha]

I think Death mode is 20g and all pieces spawn directly on top of the pieces in the centre column.

[mat]

hehe, thanks, ct--i still can't believe i beat you guys to it...

taratang,
TAP has:
Normal (stops at 300, and you get a special piece at 100 and 200)
Master (standard game to 999)
TGM+ (standard game to 999 with block rising--which, by the way rises in the same way every time)
T. A. Death (pieces fall at 20g from the start, but lock much faster than a 20g mode game and the speed continues to increase every hundred levels until you get to 500, at which point the speed stays the same until 999. the game will stop you at 500 giving you a "win" with no rank if you don't make it there in under 3 minutes and 25 seconds--if you do make it to 500 in time, it'll let you keep going, and the rank of M is immediately given. After that there are no time requirements for GM, all you have to do is finish the game, that is, get to 999.)
Doubles (both players play simultaneously in one well--14 across instead of 10. each side has a separate lvl counter.)

and ephphatha,
"all pieces spawn directly on top of the pieces in the centre column" IS 20g.

i feel i should mention that i played the 526 game (3:43:63 for those interested) in MAME with a keyboard. my computer gives me 100% emulation though, so it really was an accurate game--not everyone is cool enough to have a PCB http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif.

good luck, guys.
-mat

[K]

Congratulation Matt !


following link is an official video demonstration of a completed Death-mode game :

http://www.arikaonline.com/download/mov ... h-Gm05.mpg (http://www.arikaonline.com/download/movie/Death-Gm05.mpg)


in a nutshell :

same max gravity as TDS the tetramino lock delay don't reset at each move or rotation (strongly increase of the game difficulty). reach level 500, under 3 min 25 second to get M rank (or the game end) survive until 999 to get the Gm rank
the lock delay become shorter at fixed level step interval... becoming more and more difficult (level 500>999 = max difficulty).


btw, i've enabled access to the blog since yesterday. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[mat]

it should be noted that the arika video is sped up slightly (both of the GM vids are)--the game finishes at 5:58, but only takes about 5:48 to get there. what is that, like 103%? i really don't understand why arika did that... it's not like death is slow... and it isn't like the speed increase really makes it that much faster... whatever.

[tepples]

it should be noted that the arika video is sped up slightly (both of the GM vids are)--the game finishes at 5:58, but only takes about 5:48 to get there. what is that, like 103%? i really don't understand why arika did that
Perhaps the game itself runs at a frame rate other than 60 fps. I know that Mortal Kombat used a 53.2 fps refresh rate, slower than NTSC but faster than PAL, and feature films on European TV are often run at 104 percent to make up the difference between 24 fps (film frame rate) and 25 fps (half PAL50 refresh rate).

... it's not like death is slow... and it isn't like the speed increase really makes it that much faster... whatever.

But exactly how fast is each level of death mode, in terms of lock delay and spawn delay? That implies that you need 360 tetrominoes (for 500 levels) in in 205 seconds, or 105 tpm.

[Ephphatha]

and ephphatha,
"all pieces spawn directly on top of the pieces in the centre column" IS 20g.Oh. I was under the impression that 20g referred to the fall rate only.

[tepples]

Oh. I was under the impression that 20g referred to the fall rate only.

The fall rate of 20 blocks per frame implies that pieces move directly from the hidden rows to on top of the stack within one frame. (Interesting symmetry: The same code can implement hard drop, 20G, and ghost piece.)

[mat]

it does run at 60fps...


i have all of the frame counts for death mode--is there a reason i shouldn't post those publically? well i can't really think of one so i'll just go ahead and post them--all this should be on the wiki anyway.


000 - 099: ARE: 15/60, DAS: 12/60, Lock: 30/60, Line_Clear: 8/60

100 - 199: ARE: 14/60, DAS: 12/60, Lock: 26/60, Line_Clear: 0/60

200 - 299: ARE: 14/60, DAS: 11/60, Lock: 22/60, Line_Clear: 0/60

300 - 399: ARE: 08/60, DAS: 10/60, Lock: 18/60, Line_Clear: 6/60

400 - 999: ARE: 07/60, DAS: 08/60, Lock: 15/60, Line_Clear: 5/60

[colour_thief]

But exactly how fast is each level of death mode, in terms of lock delay and spawn delay? That implies that you need 360 tetrominoes (for 500 levels) in in 205 seconds, or 105 tpm.


Yeah, you need about a 1.75 pps minimum, and the limit is somewhere around 2.25 or 2.50 (I can't remember what the record is offhand). So nowhere near as fast as Shirase, but plenty fast for most people. Not to mention the added challenge that doesn't come with 0g or SRS 20g based time attacks... The lockdown reset behaviour makes the game extremely hardcore, and causes the player to change their buildstyle to compensate all over again.


BTW I prefer pps to tpm. Or even tps. On the one hand tpm is appealing because it has whole numbers and sounds much like tempos in music... On the other hand when I play Tetris all I feel is moments, and the scale of a second gives me a real sense of the speed. Ah well, it's easy enough to convert between them I guess.

[Taratang]

Thanks, that explains it, I guessed it was just shorter lock delay. The time limit sound really tight too. I'm still struggling to beat the original tgm myself :p


My best so far is around lvl 750/S6. Not very impressive to most of you I'm sure but I could only reach S1 when I first started playing tgm about 2 months ago http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[tepples]

i have all of the frame counts for death mode--is there a reason i shouldn't post those publically?
Unless you're an Arika or TTC employee and thus under a non-disclosure agreement, it's perfectly fine under copyright law to publish facts.

all this should be on the wiki anyway.

Done (http://www.tetrisconcept.com/wiki/index.php/Tetris_The_Absolute_The_Grand_Master_2#Death_mode) .

[mat]

well done, quick wiki-fier! although the description of the mode is a bit confusing... i'll edit it... eventually... i'm not a quick wiki-fier...

[Taratang]

Out of interest, do you have the frame counts for the original TGM?

[colour_thief]

Somewhere, yes. Though it's not as neat and condensed as the Death Mode timings, despite not changing at all past lvl 500.

[colour_thief]

I'd like to extend a congratulations to Jago, who recently attained Death M. I'm officially lagging behind! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[K]

thanks, http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

but i'm thinking about recording my Jamma play.


does someone is aware of a "cheap" system for recording from a TV ?

something useable of course for edition and distribution !


please don't tell me VHS http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

The road to Death Gm is still open http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gif

[sihumchai]

Congratz Jago..


The road to M/GM is still a long way ahead of me http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[tepples]

does someone is aware of a "cheap" system for recording from a TV ?
something useable of course for edition and distribution !

DVD recorders are a lot cheaper than they used to be; Best Buy has one under $100. Or you could put a TV-in card into your PC and record that way. It works for all Nintendo systems except Virtual Boy and DS.

[K]

i think that i'll orient to a dedicated hardware -> DVD recorder...

cause i know by experience that TV-in card for PC are often unefficiant, and directly dependant to your hardware for video recording (when the bundled app is not totally shity)...


and for easy use, i think that DVD recorder (with hard disk) is the best option.

[caffeine]

careful. a friend on xbox live told me he had a dvd recorder. he said when he'd record, it'd delay his input to the game. i don't know how that would work on jamma, though.

[K]

hmmm,


commonly the signal is sent before on the DVD recorder and after sent back to the TV... so the DVD recorder "create" a lag ?

then a "T" connection should set the problem :

- 1 to the recorder.

- 1 for the TV.

[Phydeaux]

hmmm,

commonly the signal is sent before on the DVD recorder and after sent back to the TV... so the DVD recorder "create" a lag ?
then a "T" connection should set the problem :
- 1 to the recorder.
- 1 for the TV.


Yes.


You'll just want to set up all your options for recording ahead of time so that all you'll have to do is hit record before you set it up that way, since you're not getting to see the DVD-Recorder output, so feedback on knowing if it's working or not may be tricky.

[mat]

congrats, jago! now i don't feel so lonely http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif.


recording yourself, aye? i'm fighting off the urge to do that until i can make Gm--otherwise the arika vids are more impressive.

[Caithness]

I've got a DVD recorder, and it does create lag when I route a game system through it to the TV. It's also quite inconvenient to get things from a recorded DVD onto a computer for me. The re-writable format that mine uses, DVD-RAM, is incompatible with every computer I've tried it on, and the only other format the recorder supports is DVD-R.

[tepples]

Then use DVD-R.

[Caithness]

Those are expensive, though. It's rarely worth it to me, and the user interface that the device leaves the final disk with is rather obtuse.

[Rosti LFC]

Most DVD recorders have a Hard Drive. Well, mine does anyway. You could just record it onto that.

[Caithness]

Mine doesn't. I really wish I had gotten one with a HDD, but it's a bit too late for that.

[Amnesia]

I congratulate matt and jago again...

Ok colour_thief...I'LL BE THE THIRD WESTERN "M", I'll make all effort to do it..

[colour_thief]

If you beat me to it I just might quit Tetris.




</joke> but seriously you won't beat me! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif



...I hope. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

[Amnesia]

I hope you don't forget me colour_thief..I'll spend 4 month in canada in 2008 and you will see I'll certainly not forget you.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

[DIGITAL]

Would devil be the closest equivalent in Heboris?

[colour_thief]

Devil Mode ~> Death Mode, yes.

[DIGITAL]

In that case, I managed to reach level 763 in Devil albeit using SRS in the latest version (C7T7.6).

[colour_thief]

What was your time?

[DIGITAL]

I topped out at 04:59:14.

[caffeine]

devil+TDS SRS=loads of fun

[DIGITAL]

I agree. It's extremely fun with no delay in frames from one piece to the next using TDS SRS.


At the moment, I just reached 838 using SRS X and the delay is so small that I kept misdropping several pieces at once.

[caffeine]

did you see <a href="http://hebo.game-host.org/src/hebo0116.sav ">this</a>?

[DIGITAL]

Hope you don't mind my ignorance, but was the goal in the replay to clear combos?


And another thing, how do you save replays? I can't seem to figure it out.

[caffeine]

whoops! wrong replay. ha. um, look in the replay folder of this: http://hebo.game-host.org/src/hebo0117.zip


that's what i meant. crazy crazy.

[DIGITAL]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif Did someone actually accomplished that without any aids? That is insane!


1300 in 04:15:70 with the highest rank achievable in Heboris.

[cdsboy]

crazy...

[PetitPrince]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

[sihumchai]

Hope you don't mind my ignorance, but was the goal in the replay to clear combos?

And another thing, how do you save replays? I can't seem to figure it out.


If you wanna save replays on Heboris, all you gotta do is hit a number(from 1 to 0) right after you finish your game. The game will state on screen which 'slot' you have saved onto.

[Caithness]

How do you get replays to work in Mac Heboris? Is it possible?

[colour_thief]

Of course it works, same as the other versions.

[Caithness]

I tried putting the replay folder in the same directory as Heboris.app, but when I pick Replay from the main menu it says "No Replay Data".

[cdsboy]

i was thinking the same thing.... how do we save a replay to see where it puts it?

[caffeine]

here's how it works for me. after single player game has finished, i press a number (1 through 9, and 0). it saves the replay, and i can watch it later. here's my directoriage:


...\hebo

...\hebo\replay

...\hebo\replay\REPLAY01.SAV

[Amnesia]

Jagorochi you rare a real Master now ! 8min 41 isn't it ??

Congratulation..I hope I will success to follow your way..

[K]

Yeah !!

infinite joy on my face all the day ! (http://jagorochi.free.fr/video)

[Taratang]

Congrats jagorochi!

[mat]

yay!

[cdsboy]

still can't get replays to work

[PetitPrince]

Yeah !!
infinite joy on my face all the day ! (http://jagorochi.free.fr/video)

Bien joué !

[K]

Thank you all !

I was very close to the limit and the recorded video show approximately well the real level you need for challenging M and Gm Grade (=M-roll challenge).


So i encourage everybody to not believe that this is impossible, and hope that other western player will succeed !


Time to Train this Invisible M-Roll now http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Merci ! vive la France ! Allez l'Europe !! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif

[Rosti LFC]

I'll be happy surpassing S4 on TGM1. I don't play it that much though. Only when I feel like it.

[sihumchai]

Congratz Jago on the M status, and making the video.


Your video is very impressive, but what impresses me most is that way you rotate the blocks. Consistent buildings, and TGM style rotations you do not see everywhere, but I have also observed this rotation style in other videos as well.


I notice that you use more rotations than usual, but you play so fast that I can't even comprehend what you're actually trying to doing, or why at least.


Good show!

[colour_thief]

Wow, nice one jago!

[Pineapple]

Nice vid, jago. Nice picture quality as well.


I dio have 1 question, that's been bugging me for a while now. After each score, there are these 6 icons, each with 2 different letters on them. What do they mean, and what do the different colours represent ?

[JenovaSephiroth]

Nice vid, jago. Nice picture quality as well.

I dio have 1 question, that's been bugging me for a while now. After each score, there are these 6 icons, each with 2 different letters on them. What do they mean, and what do the different colours represent ?


ST = Section Time. Wish I knew the others, though...

[colour_thief]

I think we've answered that twice in the forums now. Do a search and perhaps add it to the wiki for posterity.

[Amnesia]

If you havn't found it, the name of topic is "Two unrelated questions"

[K]

Hello,


thanks again for the latest congratulation http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

the next step is buying a dog, black glasses, and white stick for training.... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

[Amnesia]

And...Maybe making a video of your "M" grad in T.A. DEATH...?

[K]

yup !

i will manage to do so next week http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Amnesia]

Ahhh..Thank you I'm impatient to see how many skill we must have to reach the "M"..

[cdsboy]

is there anyway to get heboris to score like TGM1?

[DIGITAL]

is there anyway to get heboris to score like TGM1?


Go to Settings and change the Lvl up bonus to TGM/TAP.

[cdsboy]

it seems to still use tgm2 style grades, so when i get the first tetris, it stays at grade 9 instead of going to 8 like it would in tgm1

[DIGITAL]

Oh, you meant the grading system. Unfortunately, the scoring system is locked and uses the TGM 2 system as the standard for the ranking system.

[cdsboy]

oww... that kinda sucks. i need something to play TGM1 on my mac : (

[Rosti LFC]

oww... that kinda sucks. i need something to play TGM1 on my mac : (

Can you not get Zinc for the mac?

[tepples]

Zinc is proprietary software, and the author chooses not to buy a Mac.

[colour_thief]

Oh tepples.


-The ZiNc forums are hosted by Mac superstar Richard Bannister.

-The current ZiNc maintainer owns a Mac.

-The next release of ZiNc will be open source.


If anything, a port hasn't happened because the current maintainer, R. Belmont, is a MameDev and also makes the amazing arcade music player known as M1. The guy has so much "important" stuff on his plate that a Mac port probably doesn't even make his list.

[tepples]

Thank you for the correction. I guess I'm just used to people on other forums begging for ports and changes where it has already been stated previously in the same topic that the author lacks time, inclination, and/or materials to do such a port.

[colour_thief]

No worries. I just felt like defending R. Belmont because I think he's a swell guy. Mac users should check out his <a href="http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/?page_id=163">SDL MAME</a>, which comes in a Mac flavour and has the distinction of being extremely current. It's too bad MAME still has the sound bug in TGM1... Though PSX hardware has seen slow but steady progress over the last few years so it's probably just a matter of time.

[cdsboy]

i'm compiling sdlmame to see how it goes with tgm1

[cdsboy]

Update: TGM1 runs great under sdlmame. i finaly have a way to play it on my mac.

[Caithness]

Update: TGM1 runs great under sdlmame. i finaly have a way to play it on my mac.

Wow, really? Can I try your binary? Or does it not take that long to compile?

[colour_thief]

It can take quite a while actually.


And TGM1 should have been working in regular MacMAME, but that's lagged behind about a year (!) after many recent core changes (though it's not cancelled, just sort of stuck for now). I would hope that MacMAME runs faster, so I'd give it a shot first. TGM1 runs on PSX hardware and that takes a fair bit of power to emulate (more than TGM2 heh).

[Rosti LFC]

It can take quite a while actually.

And TGM1 should have been working in regular MacMAME, but that's lagged behind about a year (!) after many recent core changes (though it's not cancelled, just sort of stuck for now). I would hope that MacMAME runs faster, so I'd give it a shot first. TGM1 runs on PSX hardware and that takes a fair bit of power to emulate (more than TGM2 heh).


I'd sweat Zinc hasb't been updated for ages, or is that not what you mean?

[colour_thief]

No, I was speaking of MacMAME. ZiNc has pretty much been on life support, only receiving minor updates (eg. to add recently dumped games). The next version, for example, will have Point Blank 2 if I'm not mistaken. Probably the most significant change will be the upcoming tidying/opening of the source.


I guess the main difference is that ZiNc isn't updated often because there's no need for it, and MacMAME isn't updated in spite of a great need.

[cdsboy]

here caith, i'm assuming you want the G4 version, your on your own for roms. i didn't make this, there are instructions in italian and english.

http://www.mamechannel.it/emulator/mame ... 109_G4.dmg (http://www.mamechannel.it/emulator/mame/SDLMame_0.109_G4.dmg)

[Caithness]

I have tried TGM1 in MacMAME before. It's not pretty.

[cdsboy]

ya tgm1 in macMAME, is like shooting tetris then watching the mangled pieces fall to the ground...

[K]

I don't remember where i've read what colour_thief wrote about the medal behavior, but the ST medal in Death mode seems to keep the "today record" in memory, so it's not a statistic behavior. The gold medal is only earned when you beat today's best or more certainly until you turn off the game for reset.

[K]

i've recorded a video an put it online :


http://jagorochi.free.fr/video/death_lvl479_3m02s25.avi


ok it's a failure... but it seems that this gameplay method pay much if we consider that the the limit is 3m25s...

i was never so fast, but i hope i will be able to put a M video soon...


ps : NO lock delay cancel from lvl 400 http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[caffeine]

cool video jago. by the way, how exactly does "lock cancel" work?

[tepples]

Apparently "lock delay cancel" refers to pressing down to lock a piece that has landed.

[K]

ahh yeah i don't know exactly why i call this "cancel" it could be simple :manual lock http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

it seems that people have trouble with the codec i used for my video encoding...

i've created an account and here is the first test (same video)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oRGW5FxQDw

[K]

TAP Death mode M rank video level 680.


i feel this was game BAD and was surprised to break the Torikan (time limit)...


Section 000-100 : 00:47:~~ = ~47 sec -> VERY SLOW

Section 100-200 : 01:29:~~ = ~42 Sec -> SLOW

Section 200-300 : 02:04:~~ = ~35 sec -> Average

Section 300-400 : 02:44:~~ = ~40 sec -> SLOW

Section 400-500 : 03:23:~~ = ~39 sec -> --


This critic description is valuable from my own level but finally show the approximative level you need to break lvl 500 time limit : 3 min 25 sec.

(witch is the more important)


the video is available on youTube :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpHydQe0qI

or in high resolution at :

http://jagorochi.free.fr/video


Sorry if this can be "shocking" to say that this is "slow" but i'm at least happy to have reached lvl 680, witch is not that bad since i was starting to desesperate to not reach M grade again. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[tepples]

Does not being able to break level 100 on a simulator after numerous tries mean that I have mental retardation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation), or does it mean only that I have a life?

[K]

Sometimes i my social life i refrain to talk about "this" simulator, and i think that i'm ok with social standards http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

be bad to something may not mean you are in all : you've made TOD and Lockjaw http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[DIGITAL]

Congrats jago. Slow or not, that was an impressive video.

[propeller]

Well done jagorochi, I've been enjoying your Tap videos.

[tepples]

I've been enjoying your Tap videos.

Of course you're not talking about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLxTuBtQ7ak) right? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Ken_P]

TAP Death mode M rank video level 680.

i feel this was game BAD and was surprised to break the Torikan (time limit)...

Section 000-100 : 00:47:~~ = ~47 sec -> VERY SLOW
Section 100-200 : 01:29:~~ = ~42 Sec -> SLOW
Section 200-300 : 02:04:~~ = ~35 sec -> Average
Section 300-400 : 02:44:~~ = ~40 sec -> SLOW
Section 400-500 : 03:23:~~ = ~39 sec -> --


Nice video. It's nice to see these numbers like this. I've yet to break 100 in under 50 seconds, so I've still got a ways to go. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif I've also begin to question my stubborn nature in the case of my choice of input device. I've played with a D pad all my life so I figured it wasn't a big deal, but a few minutes trying to play with the analog stick on my game pad changed my mind. Now, trying to play with an analog thumb stick is, in general, a bad idea, but even after fighting with that the D pad felt clumsy by comparison. I'm still worthless playing on a keyboard, but a decent arcade stick may be the way to go for me.

[K]

thanks for support everybody http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif


Of course you're not talking about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLxTuBtQ7ak)right? :Wink:

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[Amnesia]

WHOAOH !!

680 !!

bravo Jago!!

[propeller]

I've been enjoying your Tap videos.
Of course you're not talking about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLxTuBtQ7ak) right? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif


http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif Yeah, keep on river dancing (http://jagorochi.free.fr/video/default.htm) !

[cyberguile]

Does not being able to break level 100 on a simulator after numerous tries mean that I have mental retardation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation), or does it mean only that I have a life?


Well, I assume that if I reached 327 in three months playing less than half an hour a day, we can say that you suffer from mental retardation http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif (or that the others suffer from IQ-ity http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif )


To be more serious, tetris as any other intellectual games requires an association of specific cerebral skills. Skills that you may have a lack of, which definitely does not means you suffer from mental retardation http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
Whatsoever, it's just a game, I don't think it will ever be part of the mensa-entry tests http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[cdsboy]

I defidently agree with cyberguile! And i will take it one set farther to say that younger people will have an easier time getting better, and faster then older people. You can desided the line between younger people and older people. But my theory means that i'm gonna totally own you guys at the rate i am going. Because i am pretty sure i am the youngest on this forum.

[propeller]

...But my theory means that i'm gonna totally own you guys at the rate i am going. Because i am pretty sure i am the youngest on this forum.


ooh fighting words, how old are you?

[cyberguile]

You can desided the line between younger people and older people.


http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
Hey, it's not like we were 60 years old when you are 16 lol

I don't think your theory can be fully supported http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[cdsboy]

lol i know, but still if you all were 60....

[K]

Congratulation to colour_thief who achieved M rank in Death mode !!! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

Level : 508
Time : 03:25:23


he trained hard for this grade ! so congrats again !

the race is still open to Gm !


http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[colour_thief]

To clear up the "pathetic" M above:


I was really tired and didn't plan on playing, but had a few games anyways. I'm glad I did! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif After getting M, I didn't care to survive and suicided immediately, followed by as much celebration as is legally allowed at 3 AM on a Wednesday morning.

[Amnesia]

HA HA HA.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Halala..

I'm the following.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

[mat]

yay!!!!! congrats man!

[cyberguile]

HA HA HA.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Halala..
I'm the following.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


Nope, it will be me http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Amnesia]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
No chance my little cyberguile, there is one year of difference between 350 and 450..

But I mustn't lose time.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

[cyberguile]

:wink:
No chance my little cyberguile, there is one year of difference between 350 and 450..
But I mustn't lose time.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif


Who knows ^^

[caffeine]

"followed by as much celebration as is legally allowed at 3 AM on a Wednesday morning."


lol congrats.

[Mr. Antisocial]

Nice! Congrats, colour_thief!

[cdsboy]

nicely done!

[DIGITAL]

Go ct!


I can see that I still have a long way to go.

[colour_thief]

Thanks guys. Hopefully I'll be the third of many!


For those of you hitting a wall when it comes to Death 300+, please read the high speed building thread (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=354). And note that if you want to pass the torikan, you're going to have to play all of 0-500 in this style. It's good practice to start playing this way <300 because you can still use "slow" moves as a crutch as you learn.


http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

Yeah, I'm still in a great mood. Nobody ask me a favour! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[colour_thief]

New record for me: Death lvl 512


frolfro


So far, not counting Heboris or emulation, I have reached 500 once (2 seconds over the torikan of 3:25) and passed it twice for M. I think I've built decent high speed habits. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif Now I need to work on my endurance...

[Amnesia]

Thanks for the tip about the 180°, it's easy to perform it!

It's a little few faster than pressing A-A..

But I'm not sure it's indispensable to reach the M grad.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

[K]

i keep this topic alive http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQV75pwidx8


bonus :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyBaOEh9kQo

[Pineapple]

Wow... that bonus vid is almost as good as the 7-combo that you pulled off in 1 of your training videos...

[colour_thief]

New personal best:

Death 540 @ 3:35:45


2 levels behind mat, but marginally faster. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[K]

yup !

i feel pressure now...

the road to Gm will start to become tight.... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

will someone be able to get it before end of year ? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[colour_thief]

Don't worry jago. Even if I get there first, and I won't, you'll still be better than me. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

[Amnesia]

Don't worry jago. Even if I get there first, and I won't, you'll still be better than me.



WHY?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Grad is Grad..

[K]

Don't worry jago. Even if I get there first, and I won't, you'll still be better than me

i don't worry, cause i just don't care ! it's just good to get some old feeling pressure arcade competition. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

Grad is Grad but....

in TGM1,

your best time is 12:06:~~

my best time is 10:07:~~

the best time ever know is under 9 min...

so yeah grade is grad, but there is time too. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Amnesia]

your best time is 12:06:~~
my best time is 10:07:~~


http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Thank you of recalling to me for this detail.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif
In next holiday I will try to reach 11min30..

i don't worry, cause i just don't care ! it's just good to get some old feeling pressure arcade competition


One day, there is now few month ago, some guys have reproached to me my spirit competition about Tetris..In fact I've the impression that excite you like me.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

[colour_thief]

It seems like a good time to bump this thread:


Firtly, a few weeks ago mat improved his record from 542 to 554 @ 3:41:90. I know he's been really busy... It's nice to see him give this game some attention once again.


Today I pulled off this...

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4075/death559jb2.jpg
...which is a modest improvement of 19 levels. But! It's enough to push me into second in the Gm race. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

Most impressively, however, is jago, who set a new record of 740!!!

In true jago style, video proof follows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQzskHPVDzU


I know we can't be the only people playing. Post your progress people! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[mat]

well done both of you!


haha, jago's youtube description: " hmmm a lucky play..."

yeah, seriously, how bout you put up some videos of some actual skill. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[caffeine]

jag, i can't imagine how excited you must've been after reaching seven hundred. very impressive.

[Amnesia]

Whoah

NICE NICE NICE !!!


And more the time passe, more I can feel it!

Yesterday I've believed it for few second http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
452 in 3min05...

I can manage the cancel at 300 and I think it's the principal to get M...

Fot me I just have to find the good balance between speed and precision..

[K]

Hello,


Thanks very much for the supports http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

I felt it was a lucky play, because at several moment, i've done dangerous "dead end" move, but the each time the "saving ass" piece popped out at the very moment...


I never felt a game so long and actually i didn't noticed that 700+ were broken until the game was over

I'm very happy cause it's almost half of the max speed course 500->999.


jag, i can't imagine how excited you must've been after reaching seven hundred. very impressive.Exactly, it was impossible to play again cause my hand were shacking. But Infinite joy on my face for all the day !!! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

@Amnesia : lvl 452 with 3min 05 is too slow but very close, c'mon, you can do it ! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

Btw, i'm rewriting a note about Death mode tips, maybe it can help people...

[sihumchai]

"Btw, i'm rewriting a note about Death mode tips, maybe it can help people..."


Yes please. My pyramid sucks, I keep getting stairs.

[Amnesia]

@Amnesia : lvl 452 with 3min 05 is too slow but very close, c'mon, you can do it !

Are you sure?? It rested 50 levels in 20 seconde..
I think it was just but possible... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

if you count 2,3 tms + 1 for the line, that could give 3.3 level/sec..
But only if I've had stabilized or decreased a few of my stack..
Or maybe I'm totally wrong in my calcul...
Colour_thief?

you can do it !

Thank jago you motive me!

This evening I will do a hard session with my friends to get it.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

[colour_thief]

the "saving ass" piece
Ah yes, the saving ass piece. My most favourite of the 7 pieces. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

@Amnesia : lvl 452 with 3min 05 is too slow but very close, c'mon, you can do it !
Are you sure?? It rested 50 levels in 20 seconde..
I think it was just but possible... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

if you count 2,3 tms + 1 for the line, that could give 3.3 level/sec..
But only if I've had stabilized or decreased a few of my stack..
Or maybe I'm totally wrong in my calcul...
Colour_thief?



It would have been very close if you made it. The 400 section at minimum speed (no locking) takes about 40 seconds. The catch is that you always die with a full screen... If you had survived by definition your stack would be lower. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif It is a very close call, especially considering the 499 barrier. But try just a little harder and I'm sure you will succeed!

[jujube]

nice job ct and jago. i'm going to start a page on the wiki with links to every video i can find, and jago all your videos will surely be there. hope to have it started by this weekend.

[cyberguile]

I know we can't be the only people playing. Post your progress people! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif


Well, I add my really modest contribution then:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/cyberguile/365.jpg

[mat]

365 is totally respectable! we get so caught up in these goddamn superplay world record types that we often overlook what a grand achievment and intense skill it is to play at even 1 piece per second--let alone 2!

[cyberguile]

we often overlook what a grand achievment and intense skill it is to play at even 1 piece per second--let alone 2!


I didn't think about it this way, thanks for encouraging http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif
Gogogogo training hard http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

[colour_thief]

we often overlook what a grand achievment and intense skill it is to play at even 1 piece per second--let alone 2!

I didn't think about it this way, thanks for encouraging http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif
Gogogogo training hard http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


That's the spirit! The only way to improve is to play with burning vigour. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[colour_thief]

I spent tonight eating pizza, drinking guinness, and watching a movie with a friend. A winning formula?


http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7285/death717iv7.jpg

I'm glad I had a quick session after the movie!! This was also my first time getting M twice in one day. The first M wasn't very notable... 505 or so I believe.

[K]

Holy shit http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gif

Congrats http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gif

so didn't you fell the play was longer than usual ?


oh oh oh this is becoming very interesting !!!


anyway at 2 day interval you would have taken the lead http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif
i like this friendly pressure http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[Amnesia]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif And you will feel more and more now...

[K]

Holy shit !!


congratulation Amnesia !


Another Death Master !!


so how do you feel guy ? tell us your impression !

how did you manage your play ?


do you have an inp ?

could be so good if everybody could make replays :-/


3 good event this week !! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[DIGITAL]

Congrats everyone! My do I feel left behind. I guess it's time to get my head out of TDS to concentrate on Death again.


You better enjoy that M grade while you still can Amnesia. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

[cyberguile]

Oh boy, what a week !

[colour_thief]

Holy crap! Congratulations Amnesia! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Isn't this game made of win and awesome?


so didn't you fell the play was longer than usual ?

anyway at 2 day interval you would have taken the lead http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif



Yeah, 2 days ago my record would have taken the lead. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif At least it's not as bad as the time I beat your Gm time, only to find that you had improved your record in the previous hour.


And yes the play felt much longer than usual. I was extremely aware that I had passed 2 sections after 500. I'm not sure if it was the beer, but I kept my cool and didn't really think about it... I just kept a relaxed concentration on playing.

[Amnesia]

Whoah..Colour_thief..Your improvement is far better than mine! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

I FEEL SO GOOD TODAY!!!

Sorry, I promise to make soon an inp..


It was yesterday at 23h40 (french hour)..My friend Bou was sit on my left..Just After he told me he was excited and his hearth was shaked like mine...


A very good evening for me at tetris...

Before the M, I made 2 little improvement :

Master : lv 500 at 5min05

TA DEATH : lv 100 in 40sec


Later, after 2 drunks and one cigarette, I said to my friend :"please just one and after I go sleep.."


I begin, a normal game, 45 seconde at 100, so I was saying "I'll continue but 45 is too long..It's just for fun.."


Section 200 my stack grow up..


I pass 300 at 2min06 with a stack at 2/3 of the high..

"rr...damn I'm still too slow..."


"lost for lost..." (french expression)

I begin to excite myself and I destroy this fucking stack with a lot of cancel.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
(and a lot of chance http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif )


lv 400 : I've a stack very low, I take a big breathing...

My stack begin to increase...I'll be honnest, I've said in my head :

"I must do it this time I can't lose..I must do it like jago, matt and c_t..."


480, the music stops, I'm saying :

"pass....don't pass....pass....don't pass..."


I knew I was very close..I think I passed it at 3:24:--

The moment where the m appear at the screen will stay in my memory all my life...I said : "WHOAHO HO HO !!!" or a stupid thing like that..


After 500 it's a total blackout..I can't remember what's happened until 519...I've jumped on the keyboard to take a screenshoot then..


Sorry Jago I hope it's not too long to read...

I tell you thank you, a very sincere thank you for you and c_t, I've followed your advises since I've met you there is 1 year ago on emulversal..


Even if some people here think I'm a "strange" an excentric guy, and even if some of them don't wish to meet me alone.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
I thank all members of this community, if I hadn't come here, I would have never reached this level..I come here all morning to check and read all new post..I've learned a lot of thing from other player..

I love this community and I will continue to assert my passion for tetris around me as long as I can..


Go DIGITAL and kotetsu, you're the next Death Master!!

I hope you will never give up!

DIGITAL you have the powerfull to do it and kotetsu, use the cheat to improve your endurence at lv 400! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[colour_thief]

Ok guys, I added a leaderboard to the first post. Check it out! (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2303#2303)


As you can see there are many people in the 300-400 range. Hopefully this will give them some motivation to improve. If anyone wants to be added all are welcome. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[jujube]

Even if some people here think I'm a "strange" an excentric guy, and even if some of them don't wish to meet me alone.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
I thank all members of this community, if I hadn't come here, I would have never reached this level..I come here all morning to check and read all new post..I've learned a lot of thing from other player..
I love this community and I will continue to assert my passion for tetris around me as long as I can..

i come here everyday to read your posts, Amnesia. then i move on to everyone else's http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif your enthusiasm is great and nice job with achieving M grade. i'll have to play more TGM so i can truly appreciate what all you guys and guiles are doing.

[PetitPrince]

Bien joué mon gars !

[Rosti LFC]

To prove how far behind you guys on TGM and PC Tetris I am...


Level 241 is my best, time 2:20:??

Only have a screenshot of 231 at 2:12:90

[Amnesia]

As you can see there are many people in the 300-400 range. Hopefully this will give them some motivation to improve. If anyone wants to be added all are welcome.


You can add my friend Bou with 250, and docken is around ~430..
You can ask him on the chat... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

To prove how far behind you guys on TGM and PC Tetris I am...

Level 241 is my best, time 2:20:??
Only have a screenshot of 231 at 2:12:90


Stupid! I'm sure if we fight, you will beat me with any problem on TDS..

I'm able to beat the com 5, 1 game on 6... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[Rosti LFC]

To prove how far behind you guys on TGM and PC Tetris I am...

Level 241 is my best, time 2:20:??
Only have a screenshot of 231 at 2:12:90
Stupid! I'm sure if we fight, you will beat me with any problem on TDS..
I'm able to beat the com 5, 1 game on 6... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif


Shows the rift between TDS and TGM. It's not the speed that kills me, it's the way I have to stack to compensate for the rotation. 120ppm is not beyond me.

[Ken_P]

jagorochi --------- 740 @ 4:45:68
colour_thief ------ 717 @ 4:48:75
matt_hatter83 ----- 554 @ 3:41:90
Amnesia ----------- 519 @ 3:32:31
DIGITAL ----------- 463 @ 3:12:26
kotetsu213 -------- 454 @ 3:15:11
Taratang ---------- 424 @ 3:32:98
docken ------------ 405 @ ?:??:??
cyberguile -------- 365 @ 3:04:90
Ken_P ------------- 361 @ ?:??:??
overkiller -------- 359 @ 3:30:??
Bou --------------- 250 @ ?:??:??
Rosti LFC --------- 241 @ 2:20:??
sihumchai --------- 199 @ ?:??:??
TheBlueDragon ----- 128 @ 1:30:31
(Leaderboard added to encourage people.)


I'm both encouraged and scared. I can't see ever making M, I'm just too slow. I don't have the time on my 361, but I just did 324 in 2:58:25, so it's probably a little over three minutes.

[colour_thief]

Proof that my last game wasn't a fluke:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3199/death714zb5.jpg

I've also finished Master 3 times with 9:05 today and once with 9:06. I'm not sure what has happened but I feel like a completely different player this week. <EDIT> And I just got Death 633. All-in-all a good session today. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif


Also I added cgwg's 480 to the leaderboard. Toronto represent. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[Mr. Antisocial]

Wow... Congrats guys!


Meanwhile, I'm still struggling just to survive past the 300's. Guess I'll throw my score in for the heck of it. Nothing too impressive, but whatever.


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/MrAntisocial777/TAPDeathRecord.jpg

[sihumchai]

jagorochi --------- 740 @ 4:45:68
colour_thief ------ 717 @ 4:48:75
matt_hatter83 ----- 554 @ 3:41:90
Amnesia ----------- 519 @ 3:32:31
DIGITAL ----------- 463 @ 3:12:26
kotetsu213 -------- 454 @ 3:15:11
Taratang ---------- 424 @ 3:32:98
docken ------------ 405 @ ?:??:??
cyberguile -------- 365 @ 3:04:90
Ken_P ------------- 361 @ ?:??:??
overkiller -------- 359 @ 3:30:??
Bou --------------- 250 @ ?:??:??
Rosti LFC --------- 241 @ 2:20:??
sihumchai --------- 199 @ ?:??:??
TheBlueDragon ----- 128 @ 1:30:31
(Leaderboard added to encourage people.)

I'm both encouraged and scared. I can't see ever making M, I'm just too slow. I don't have the time on my 361, but I just did 324 in 2:58:25, so it's probably a little over three minutes.


I'm very encouraged by the leaderboards, thanks for making it. Will update you guys will my latest progression http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

[K]

What again level 700+ http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gif:?::!:


Woosh ! (http://web4j1.lane.edu/~stevens_d/Gallery/Jw%20homepage/images/Goku%20super%20sayan%20livello3.jpg) http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

a small calculation would bring me to ~6:22:30 if i break 999...

[cyberguile]

Managed to get a little 366.

Didn't think it would be so exciting to improve my best by only 1 http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

[colour_thief]

Updated. I'm hoping to see some cyberguile vs Mr. Antisocial rivalry action. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif You're both very close and active right now.


<EDIT>

Not that great a session today. I couldn't get into Master at all, and my endurance generally sucked. I blame the long day at work. Anyhow, I did get Death M 3 times despite that: 585, 639, and 509. They all felt like sloppy deaths... Can't wait to play a little more when I'm alert again. I haven't had this much fun since I made a similar journey in TGM1 learing 20G on levels 500+.

[Amnesia]

I did get Death M 3 times despite that: 585, 639, and 509.


PWOUAH wouha woa... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif
I need training to do a similar rate in a day...

[mat]

you guys are nuts! now i really have to step this crap up!

564 this morning, but i am gonna put some work in... i've taken to .inp recording as well, so, yes.

[colour_thief]

Alright, we've got mat back into the game! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW have a time for that 564?

[mat]

565 actually, at 3:49:00

[Amnesia]

Do You still play with a keyboard?

I'm sure keyboard doesn't allow you to have a good endurance over 500..


So you should fastly pass the 600 because I've no intention to lose time!! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
I feel very confident in my strategie to get the M..

Since My grad M tuesday at night I havn't played..

For the next I must break 540..I hate the number 519.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[colour_thief]

Do You still play with a keyboard?
I'm sure keyboard doesn't allow you to have a good endurance over 500..



Absolutely false. I often practice in MAME locked at Death 500 (for which I use the keyboard) and I have survived as long as 2:22:--. Death mode requires so little actual input that I bet it would be quite playable with anything remotely useable.

[kotetsu213]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b230/kotetsu213/tap-death-498-32833.jpg

[Rosti LFC]

Wow kotetsu, that is close...

[colour_thief]

Great work there kotetsu! This is such an insane week!


Was that really your next record or did you withold a bunch in between?

[kotetsu213]

Nope, that was my next record


ps


I didn't manual lock at all after 300

[colour_thief]

Well, excellent job keeping your cool there. And you must be playing 0-300 very much in the "proper way" in order to get so close to the cutoff of 3:25.


I'm not sure if jago still tries to avoid all locking after 300, but I lock. Not all the time... Just selectively when I want to place the pieces in an easy way.

[kotetsu213]

I'm not sure what "proper way" is but I will say that I played closer to the Death_800 video (build cleanly) than the Gm_05 video (lock quickly) up to 300, at which point I watered it down a little (still try to build clean but no "complex" moves) and I played the same way at 400 but with more "shortcuts" (if I don't know where to place a piece, dump it somewhere instead of trying to figure it out)

[K]

holy shit,

what's going on around here ?

everybody motivation is becoming crazy...


go go go everybody ! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
the note about death mode first part is almost finished... need langage correction.


i will also manage to build a clean ranking page.

[Amnesia]

Amnesia wrote:
Do You still play with a keyboard?
I'm sure keyboard doesn't allow you to have a good endurance over 500..



Absolutely false. I often practice in MAME locked at Death 500 (for which I use the keyboard) and I have survived as long as 2:22:--. Death mode requires so little actual input that I bet it would be quite playable with anything remotely useable.



http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif The question was for matt! I know you have an astro...

I tried to understand why matt have some difficulty to reach 600...He will be very disapointed when I will pass 600 before him..

He was the first death master in december and we will be soon 4th.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif ..

[Amnesia]

WHOAH KOTETSU !!

I hadn't seen it.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif
YOU WANT THE WAR?!!

You will have it.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
After the normal mode and the master mode I will not let you beat me at ta death.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[cyberguile]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/cyberguile/371.jpg

Really slow game lol.

[cyberguile]

Last pic of the week,


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/cyberguile/399.jpg

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif

PS: I think I have saved an inp of the three in a raw games which lead to this 399

[Amnesia]

Ho ho you don't joke any more.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

[colour_thief]

Awesome work cyberguile! You passed Mr. Antisocial. Will he retalliate?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

And great work to everyone who's improved their record this week. Which is a lot of people. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[mat]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iisWxDhLXXE

598 03:55:31 w00t.

[mat]

633 04:07:71

[K]

wow !!

congrats mat !

you become crazy ! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[jujube]

cool video matt http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif i added it to the video list in the wiki. when i watched it, it said you made lvl 590 in 3:55:31 (not that it matters because you've already beaten that score) so that was the way i named it. let me know if this is wrong and i can change it to 598.

[mat]

thanks!

that video was 598, it kind of looks likes 590 at the end because of the low resolution.

[jujube]

you're right, of course it's 598. my eyes must be going bad from all this TDS i've been playing on the small screen. besides that, i should have checked the last few seconds before the end when you passed lvl 590 http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[Rosti LFC]

Minor Improvement:


244 @ 2:17:32

[Taratang]

I've been playing for a couple of hours and I'm struggling to improve. I break 400 maybe 1 in 20 attempts, but top out nearly instantly every time http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

[DIGITAL]

I've been playing for a couple of hours and I'm struggling to improve. I break 400 maybe 1 in 20 attempts, but top out nearly instantly every time http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif


Remember to stop locking manually. Also, be careful when placing pieces in the center because you might double drop.

[mat]

the double drop is a really good point and that seriously plagued my early death game. i am probably the only one around here who advocates locking at and beyond 400 and that leads to a lot of double dropping. the simple solution is just to stop locking and focus on your initial DAS charge.


speaking of which, mind if we open up that line of discussion again? my argument has always been that "surviving" death mode is not the goal. we want to beat it! and that means time attack, and that means locking. one could (and if that one is jago/ct, one has and will continue to) argue that the training/goal curve looks like:

1. survive death mode to 999
2. attack death mode via piece locking
3. efficient build
4. competitive time
i would suggest something along the lines of:
1. competitive time
...1a. piece lock
...1b. efficient build

survival to 999 is implied! or, as my world of warcraft obsessed cousin once explained to me, "the game expects you to be lvl 60."

we all play tetris at a little above 2 pieces per second and what we need is not an increased survival time at 2 pieces per second, but the ability to play at 3 pieces per second.


if you can't tetris at 500, you aren't really playing 500.


that being said, i understand the temptation and allure of simply making GM. i don't really expect any of us to quit this survival nonsense until we get there, but i do believe we're going about advancement in an inefficient, shortsighted fashion. we want to play shirase like the official shirase vids, we don't want to play tgm1 like the old zinc forum LOst video.


solution=train it till you can play it. if you're misdropping because of the speed, you aren't really playing it. as you become more experienced and train harder and longer, you will become faster. just as 20g tgm1 was at one time insurmountable, death mode and its difficulty will quickly fade away as the shirase challenge steals our lives.


once again: what we need is not an increased survival time at 2 pieces per second, but the ability to play at 3 pieces per second.

[colour_thief]

I'm curious mat, do you lock past 400 in your video? (I honestly can't tell.) Your 400 section is about equal to the one in jago's 740 vid.


I think jago is a little ridiculous in suggesting not locking after 300... the speed there isn't that bad once you're habituated. 400+ though, I strongly recommend not locking. The speed gains are minimal: DAS takes longer to charge than ARE, by quite a margin! When you lock, and yet need to DAS the next piece, you cause the spawned piece to sit on the bottom a few frames longer, effectively lowering your lock time. If you hesitate at all, this piece will not have time to DAS properly and will misdrop. Which all to often causes the next to misdrop as well...


What you don't realise mat, is that you can do a time attack without locking. If you time your left/right at the beginning of ARE, it charges the DAS faster. What you are doing when you lock 400+, effectively, is trade time the piece sits there fully placed (relatively safe) with time the piece sits there waiting to be placed (undeniably risky). This is risk without reward.


So, the main speed gain supports survival and comes from well timed DAS'ing. I'm actually a proponent of selective locking at high speeds. For example:


1. When the piece has dropped (reset it's lock counter) near the end of placement. These are slow, fat, piece placements that steal too much time, plain and simple. It feels less like speeding up, and more like preventing slowness. Not locking here actually makes it hard to keep the rhythm.


2. When you don't need DAS for the next piece. In this situation you don't need to time anything finely near the beginning of ARE so the risk is greatly reduced.


When 1 & 2 occur together manual locking works especially well. It's definitely the "low hanging fruit" as it were. But I don't use it, currently.


Right now, I generally play like a bit of a pussy 300-400, only locking when I am comfortable with the shape of my screen and the movement operations required. Which means I'll get to lock about 2/3 of the pieces, I'd estimate. I might lock a bit at the beginning of 400 because my mind hasn't switched modes yet. But then I strictly do not lock.


Theoretically speaking, there are speed gains to be had from using both the early DAS and the manual lock techniques together. I just think that the majority of the speed gain comes from early DAS'ing, and will continue to focus on this technique until it is completely ingrained into my mind. Eventually I'd like to start applying the above locking techniques, as well as mess around with a few other experimental ideas I've got floating around. But one thing at a time. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

As a side note, jago (and I, I guess) have been writing Death notes and have a whack of tips in the works. I think we play more similarly to each other than to you, mat, so it should be a good read. If you have any tips to share that would be cool too. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif It's always nice to hear another perspective.

[caffeine]

late locking means more pieces per time, which means more experience, which could add up in the long run. the skill would be to know when not to lock. locking could be a good habit to build if one plans to gain as much experience as possible.

[Rosti LFC]

You have to learn to survive Death Mode before you can beat it.


I'm going to hit 500 first, then start worrying about my time. I feel increasing speed is less difficult than coping with the 20G.

[colour_thief]

late locking means more pieces per time, which means more experience, which could add up in the long run.


There are 2 significant problems with this argument:


-it assumes locking 400+ is faster than not locking (see my previous post)

-it assumes quantity is more important than quality


Because locking is significantly riskier with negligible speed difference from early DAS'ing, there is a much smaller window of time to decide where to place your next piece. This forces you to think faster, without actually resulting in playing faster. While "think faster" also sounds attractive, what will actually happen is you will put less thought into the piece placement, resulting in lower quality play.


What I mean is that you'll equal quantity (speed/experience) with lower quality. And honestly quality of play makes all the difference in terms of improving your skill in a timely manner.

[DIGITAL]

Yay, finally made it! I got so excited I topped out soon after.

[jujube]

the competition is getting fierce here http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif i better get to playing TGM soon, i have a lot of catching up to do. great game DIGITAL.

[colour_thief]

Holy crap! Impressive progress there DIGITAL. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Though, what on earth is up with your MAME?


Amnesia, are you simply going to let him pass you??? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

[DIGITAL]

Holy crap! Impressive progress there DIGITAL. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Though, what on earth is up with your MAME?


Thanks ct. I turned on Direct 3d usage in the options which seems to reduce lag. It seems that option also adds some weird texture to the graphics.

[Amnesia]

Amnesia, are you simply going to let him pass you???



I've a bad surprise for you.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
Check the other ranking!

And for DIGITAL, I will update the ranking soon..I'm in vacancy next week..Don't forget I have not my own PC..

[cyberguile]

YATAAAAAAAA


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/cyberguile/415.jpg

I wish I had saved an inp for this one: I was almost at the top of the screen from 250 to the end but ragingly didn't want to loose http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

PS: 400~ didn't seem really faster than 300~, is it just a feeling or the truth ?

[Rosti LFC]

Congrats Digital.


I will catch up. Honest.

[Amnesia]

000 - 099: ARE: 15/60, DAS: 12/60, Lock: 30/60, Line_Clear: 8/60
100 - 199: ARE: 14/60, DAS: 12/60, Lock: 26/60, Line_Clear: 0/60
200 - 299: ARE: 14/60, DAS: 11/60, Lock: 22/60, Line_Clear: 0/60
300 - 399: ARE: 08/60, DAS: 10/60, Lock: 18/60, Line_Clear: 6/60
400 - 999: ARE: 07/60, DAS: 08/60, Lock: 15/60, Line_Clear: 5/60


Watch this, you can notice the violent decrease of the ARE at 300...

And yes the difference between 200 and 300 is harder than the all differences between others sections..

[cyberguile]

So it means that once you got used to the 300 speed, it's only a matter of time till you can reach 999 as there is no other Brutal increase of speed ?

[Amnesia]

Oh no...I can say that..

I feel confortable now at 300, but the speed of 900 gives me yet a lot of difficulties...

I resist only around 1min20...maximum..

[cyberguile]

I feel confortable now at 300, but the speed of 900 gives me yet a lot of difficulties...
I resist only around 1min20...maximum..


Lol !

Well it's obvious that if you feel ease at 300, you first need to feel ease at 400, then 500 etc etc etc http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
What I meant was that it will certainly be way faster too feel ease at 400 when you already feel ease at 300 (and so on) than going from 200 to 300 (which is really hard)

[K]

000 - 099: ARE: 15/60, DAS: 12/60, Lock: 30/60, Line_Clear: 8/60
100 - 199: ARE: 14/60, DAS: 12/60, Lock: 26/60, Line_Clear: 0/60
200 - 299: ARE: 14/60, DAS: 11/60, Lock: 22/60, Line_Clear: 0/60
300 - 399: ARE: 08/60, DAS: 10/60, Lock: 18/60, Line_Clear: 6/60
400 - 999: ARE: 07/60, DAS: 08/60, Lock: 15/60, Line_Clear: 5/60
this table is uncomplete check the correct here (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/../wiki/index.php/Tetris_The_Absolute_The_Grand_Master_2_PLUS#Timing s).

Oh no...I can say that..
I feel confortable now at 300, but the speed of 900 gives me yet a lot of difficulties...
I resist only around 1min20...maximum.. level 500 is the max speed on death mode. are you refering to Master mode level 900 speed ?

[Amnesia]

level 500 is the max speed on death mode. are you refering to Master mode level 900 speed ?



Ah yes??

I've always thought speed increase every 100 until 900 in death mode..

[Rosti LFC]

Do they increase gradually throughout the levels, or is it constant, and changes once the 100 barrier has been passed?


I thought it was a gradual thing, but stats seem to imply otherwise.

[kotetsu213]

It changes at 100, 200, 300, 400 and 500

[Amnesia]

I thought it was a gradual thing, but stats seem to imply otherwise.



You have that on the Master mode for the 4 first section..You have a progressive increase of speed..

[tepples]

As I understand descriptions of TAP Master and Death, gravity increases smoothly up to 20G. (At the 200 point in Master, gravity becomes slow again and then goes up from there.) The other parameters (entry delay, lock delay, line delay) change at section boundaries. Am I right?

[colour_thief]

Is that a trick question? Gravity is fixed at 20G in Death. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

In Master... That depends on how you define "smooth". Gravity changes by discrete amounts as the level advances, which I suppose is relatively smooth when compared to coarse changes every 100 levels. But it's not dictated by a formula, and doesn't change every single level. It's more of a finer, yet irregularly shaped staircase pattern.


If you check the wiki, I think TGM2 Master has an identical gravity curve as TGM1.

http://www.tetrisconcept.com/wiki/index.php/Tetris_The_Grand_Master#speed (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/../wiki/index.php/Tetris_The_Grand_Master#speed)

Notice the speed drops from 400-500 as well.

[Rosti LFC]

I was referring to ARE, DAS, etc. when I was talking about gradual or sudden changes.

[cyberguile]

Trying to improve my speed:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/cyberguile/319fast.jpg

Is it a good time ?

[Rosti LFC]

It's about 50 levels better than where I usually am at that time, not that I'm a good person to base yourself off.

[DIGITAL]

Trying to improve my speed:

Is it a good time ?


Getting there cyberguile. The necessary time to reach 500 in 3:25 should be around 2:05 give or take a few seconds.

[mat]

2:10 is a more realistic guidline for entering 300.

[Rosti LFC]

Insert random, massive leap of improvement:


http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/rostilfc/TAPbest.png

[cyberguile]

Trying to improve my speed:

Is it a good time ?

Getting there cyberguile. The necessary time to reach 500 in 3:25 should be around 2:05 give or take a few seconds.


So, furthermore than doing only tetris', how can I improve my time ? By building up a big central pyramid which takes less time before you lock the tetrominos ?

Ive been trying this technic in normal mode which lead me to the first section in 1min08 but in TA Death, the first mistake kills me instantly if I do so http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[Amnesia]

2min06 at 300 for my first m rank.

I've passed it for the first time at 2min00 yesterday..

You can do it with 2min10 but you must lock a lot of time during the 300-400 section..Over 2min10 I think it's dead.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

You simply need more time of trainning.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
Time will decrease a few every weeks!

I think Jago and c_t will say the same thing..

When you will be able to lock at 300, you will can consider yourself ready for the m rank!

[cyberguile]

When you will be able to lock at 300, you will can consider yourself ready for the m rank!


I actually do lock at 300, coz if I don't, I press the buttons thinking about the next tetromino and it's the one that just felt which turns making a mistake VERY difficult to deal with (for instance, my 415 game, I almost didn't lock at 150~300 to have a perfectly clean screen to start with at 300)

[DIGITAL]

Trying to improve my speed:

Is it a good time ?

Getting there cyberguile. The necessary time to reach 500 in 3:25 should be around 2:05 give or take a few seconds.

So, furthermore than doing only tetris', how can I improve my time ? By building up a big central pyramid which takes less time before you lock the tetrominos ?
Ive been trying this technic in normal mode which lead me to the first section in 1min08 but in TA Death, the first mistake kills me instantly if I do so http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif


Yes, build up a pyramid so you can just DAS often. Tapping a lot will hurt your time.

[Amnesia]

DIGITAL,

Have you seriously re-try to reach M rank since your first 528 ??

I don't understand..When I did it the first time, I was sure I could do it when I want...

And since I've passed around 7-8 hours in TA DEATH (not in a raw!) and I am unable to do it a new time.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif

Everybody have a different technic to do it..If you could give me yours.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

[kotetsu213]

Amnesia, DIGITAL, how far do you usually get now in Death mode?


See, I have this problem of shattering my old record, then not being able to reach anywhere near that until a few weeks later...

[Amnesia]

That depends...

I think I reach easily more than 450 if I play slowly..

But most of time I try to hold this time:

0-100 : ~45sec

100-200 : ~40sec

200-300 : ~40sec

..

In order to reach 300 at 2min05 max..This time is not too bad and necessites only few manual lock during the 300-400 section...


And because of that I often make mistakes and I lose the most of time at ~250..I rarely reach more than 400.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

And the recording of inp stress myself.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif
Since my first M 2 weeks ago, I've only reach 477 with a bad time..


So don't be anxious if you often do bad score in Death.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
Try sometimes to play quietly with no objectif..

[DIGITAL]

I also have speed issues. When I play too fast, I tend to make a mistake during the 280-300 section that haunts me for the rest of the round. As of right now, I often die around 350-450.


I've noticed that if I clear my mind of thoughts and goals, I tend to break 400 more often. Pressure and distractions can really affect your performance subconsiously. Also, take a break from playing when you're not doing well. I often break my personal records after not playing for awhile.


Can you be more specific about technique Amnesia? If you're referring to the way I stack, I stack most similarly to matt but not as bold.

[Amnesia]

Maybe you could do an inp?

[DIGITAL]

Maybe you could do an inp?


Ok, I just made some inps. They're a little sloppy since it's kinda late here and I'm tired. I'll make better ones tomorrow since these don't even reach 350. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

http://www.sendspace.com/file/v1mcoy

[sjoecool1991]

I know you have to get to level 500 in 3:25 for it to go past level 500.

Is there a time for master mode?

[DIGITAL]

I know you have to get to level 500 in 3:25 for it to go past level 500.
Is there a time for master mode?


No, there is no time limit for Master mode in TGM2. Only TGM3's Master Mode has a time limit.

[Amnesia]

I can't read your inp..

I think it's because you record your inp in free mode..I will find the problem..


Try mine and tell me if you can load it :


http://www.sendspace.com/file/gs0mgf


1st is bad, I am satisfacted by the 2nd but my arcade stick has shut down a few before 300..I've repeared it, this evening I must record a M grad.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I hope.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif

No, there is no time limit for Master mode in TGM2. Only TGM3's Master Mode has a time limit.


There is a time limit for Master mode : 8min45..

Good luck, actually only one of us has reached it.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[DIGITAL]

I can't read your inp..
I think it's because you record your inp in free mode..I will find the problem..

Try mine and tell me if you can load it :

http://www.sendspace.com/file/gs0mgf

1st is bad, I am satisfacted by the 2nd but my arcade stick has shut down a few before 300..I've repeared it, this evening I must record a M grad.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I hope.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif



Your inp doesn't work for me either. I tried it in both Coin and Free mode.


EDIT: Can inps get corrupt? None of mine plays properly for me anymore. The only thing I changed was the coin setting, but I changed it back.

[Amnesia]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_mad.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_mad.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

rr..DEATH 500 in 3min27...FUCK!!!! If I don't reach a 2nd time the M rank before the end of week I promise to stop tetris.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

But I'm a little happy I've recorded this Death 500..


Now I'm sure, only matt, jago and c_t can save a game and reach M with 2min10 at 300..


For less crazy players like me, DIGITAL and kotetsu, I advice 2min07 max..

[DIGITAL]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dqxkix


See if this inp works for you Amnesia. I recorded in in coin mode with the emulator you supplied me.

[Amnesia]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
I'm very impressed!

It's as good as I expected..


Your game is regular and effective..

And the little recover at 400 is nice!!


insufficient but very nice... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Boh..Here you can get my 500 in 3min27..Not very formidable..


http://www.sendspace.com/file/83uunw

[DIGITAL]

:D
I'm very impressed!
It's as good as I expected..

Your game is regular and effective..
And the little recover at 400 is nice!!

insufficient but very nice... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Boh..Here you can get my 500 in 3min27..Not very formidable..

http://www.sendspace.com/file/83uunw


Very nice game, Amnesia. Just a tad more locking during the 300 section and you would have made it... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif


Anyhow, I had uploaded my previous inp onto youtube in case it didn't work for some people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9neNoLkUzQ

[kotetsu213]

Here's a fun idea: Play a bunch of games in a row, and record how you did on each one, and DO NOT STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME.


First off, 28 games:


99, 62, 96, 371, 126, 323, 391, 342, 112, 232, 256, 256, 180, 245, 289, 192, 276, 85, 222, 250, 99, 155, 173, 409, 312, 118, 281, 299


(Average: 223)

[mat]

nifty idea--will be interesting to see everyone's results.


i did 21 death games:


150, 126, 295, 298, 156, 412, 112, 449, 146, 500-3:25:38, 500-3:27:60, 181, 299, 368, 231, 490, 251, 65-hah!, 328, 99, 438


and then a few master, 3 failed before 500 and then i got an S7 finish 9:14:16


not my best night.

[K]

Hi,


for this kind of stuff we could use the "Official rules for average records" of speedcubing (Rubik's cube) :

Take average of 12 attempts: remove best and worst attempt, take average of the remaining 10 attempts


I have possibility to go to Paris this week end. Anybody from here ? i could bring TAP jamma board...

[cyberguile]

Hell, 28 games in a raw http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif
I get bored after the sixth game http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

Btw, just gave it a go:

218,132,283,281,329,218

[Rosti LFC]

A nice spell of crappy playing:


73, 115, 220, 215, 155, 99, 149, 63, 55, 99, 128, 99, 96, 163, 127, 221, 149, 99, 75, 193, 157.


Death is hard when you're only half-awake

[sjoecool1991]

Lol heres mine: 102, 99, 87,52, 94, 44, 100. average 82.

[PetitPrince]

115 94 64 78 125 97 99 127 84

(average 88.4)


[Download input (Mame32fx .99u4)] (http://bsixcentdouze.free.fr/tc/100407_PetitPrince_d_11p.rar)

[Rosti LFC]

Far more consistent now I've woken up a bit:


177, 186, 111, 149, 101, 143, 117, 131, 99, 158, 115, 154, 116, 164, 134, 188, 212, 196.


Average: 147.2

[DIGITAL]

344, 301, 120, 223, 124, 193, 298, 234, 241, 366, 334, 369, 336, 251, 193, 435, 302, 336, 411, 153


20 Games

Average: 278

Standard Deviation: 91.73796

[colour_thief]

I'll do this next time I play. In the mean time, gentlemen, I bring you a massive time saver:


http://www.easycalculation.com/statistics/standard-deviation.php


Everyone should post their average and standard deviation.