Competition

[M.Bison]

We should start an online tetris comp cause lets face it not much has been happening lately in the tetris world. I'm not sure what website and or version to play on yet, but I'm open to any suggestions, I want to get at least 10 people in the comp which should be easy enough (some from arkmay.com and some from here). Any people intrested please email me.

Thanks,

- Jono

[caffeine]

i'll play.

[M.Bison]

hey nicholas, good to see your still keen for a tetris comp, got any ideas on where to have it? do you know anyother good tetris players?

Im going to post a topic on arkmay i think i can get a handful of players from there, had a few comps there before and they went for awhile.

here from you soon.


- Jono

[caffeine]

always ready for tetris competition. i'd say find something traditional and reliable, but make sure you inform everyone on what you've decided at least a couple weeks before the actual competition.

[M.Bison]

Found a potential website to play on http://www.speedyadverts.com/SAFlashGam ... ame72.html (http://www.speedyadverts.com/SAFlashGames/html/game72.html)

you can choose what level you want to start on 1 - 20 which is not half bad considering most online versions only reach 10. the scoring system alright its a bit wierd but aleast there's a highscore table.

The only other online version i found which is ok is: http://www.infizz.com/games/tetris/ (http://www.infizz.com/games/tetris/default.htm)

But I dont think its the best suited for a comp, it lacks the classic movments and the highscore table is permanently down.

There is not to many more versions online except "neave" and "miniclip" really, which i cant stand. So the only other opition is most likely and emulator or classic system.


anyway, check them out and tell me which is best or if they both suck.


- Jono

[M.Bison]

I still think I will have the comp on a PC vesion or emulator, its alot easier to keep track of score's, record games etc. Just thinking which version still, I like all the features on dx I just think marathon never dam ends. tetron2000 seems to be the one I want to use, and you can have team battles so there can be diffrent divisions in the comp I guess,


if anyone has anything to contribute dont hesitate.


- Jono

[M.Bison]

Alright, so far I have decided to hold the comp on orginal gameboy. I dont think im going to have more than 2 devisions, most lines and highscore. There are no real rules only you must play on the orignal version of tetris for gameboy. It can be played either on the orginal platform or on an emulator. You must also have proff wheather it be by video, photo or screen shot. At the momment I have a video of a 520,000 game, but thats not my offical score yet. Im not sure when im going to end it either, I guess it depends on how fast or slow the comp kick off, but its atleast going to the end of the month. Also I figure the easiest way to post proff of your score is via the yahoo tetris highscore page (NOTE* you have to become a member first) http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tetris_High_Scores

there will be a specific folder in the photo section for the comp.

Tell as many people as you know that play tetris and start posting them highscores.


- Jono

hello, i think that an classic emulated version with fraps recorded video, should be cool !

just have to decide witch version...

[K]

oups, i was the gest just above,

plz, don't use Tetris Element.... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

[M.Bison]

I ruled out using elements along time ago, I really want to use DX through a GB emulator. Beacuse it has Marathon, Ultra and 40 lines its a nice variety and DX had very good reactions with the tetramino spins.

Any way knowone really seems to intrested in a comp these days so i dont no if theres ever going to be one.

thanks for the enthusiasm though

- Jono

[K]

ok then,

we are talking about a competition so :


- start to list a potential interesting tetris game

- define an ending date for submitting score and video

- each player that is interested put his name here with the game(s) he is interested..

- finally choose the final game support

- go for it !

[colour_thief]

lo jago


My vote goes to Kids Tetris. We need a superplay Kids Tetris video, it'll be hilarious.

http://www.newgamebits.com/LID/Kids_Tetris_Box_Cover.jpg

*ahem*

Either that or we could play TGM. But we do that anyways don't we...

knowone really seems to intrested in a comp these days

Us TGMers are actually reasonably active. There's maybe... 5 of us(?) that set a new personal best in the last month or so.

[M.Bison]

TGM's ok, I just dont think its the sort of tetris you hold I comp with. I manly post on arkmay.com and I have never really heard of anyone talking about it, I dont think it popular enough either or suited for that many people.

Personally I dont mind a game of TGM every now and again.


- Jono

[K]

hmm i don't think that TGM is adapted to this "comp"...

to much hard to handle if you haven't played it, even for strong Tetris player...

and this will not be a competition...

maybe we should came to a more basic and well knew version...

[colour_thief]

maybe we should came to a more basic version...
http://www.newgamebits.com/LID/Kids_Tetris_Box_Cover.jpg

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[M.Bison]

The main problem with a tetris comp is usually everyone has there own favorite version of the game, and normally its not the same as anyone else's favorite. Thats why earlyer I wanted to have a classic comp, not one with tetris worlds or anything with a continuous spin.

Hey what about SNES tetris?, its alot harder since the ponits dont go up after level 9.

Its an idea.


- Jono

[colour_thief]

Ummm... There's like 4 tetris games on SNES dude (excluding Tetris 2 and Tetris Attack!!), you'll have to be more specific.


About groups of people lacking focus on a particular tetris game.... well... the TGM community is fairly focused. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif We could do some sort of TGM vs Henk-style matchup, where we choose a TGM game and a Henk Rogers tetris game and compete in them both. It could be cool, we'd see which school of players were the strongest.

[M.Bison]

I was referring to Tetris + Dr. Mario on snes. Also Henk Vs TGM? do you mean vs on 2 diffrent versions, as in we play both version each? or We play our own version each? Top one makes more sense to me. Either way I dont really mind, I not rushing to much to play TGM for excessive hours, I like it, but I dont want to sit there and play it competively, otherwise I will never want to play it again.

I dont mind what the version the comps really on, except: Tetris Worlds, Elements, or TGM. I just want something on a nitendeo platform or similar.


- Jono

[colour_thief]

So it's settled then, Kids Tetris VS Tetris with Card Captor Sakura.


florfr


Seriously dude, just pick one so we can beat you.

[M.Bison]

Cool beat me, sounds like fun.

I am going to have a comp on Snes Tetris (The one with Dr. Mario), thats not spelt with A TGM in it either.

Have fun

Post the pics/vids through http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tetris_High_Scores/ (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tetris_High_Scores/default.htm)


I wil send a mass email a message out to some people that metioned being intrested in a comp earlyer.


- Jono

[caffeine]

We could do some sort of TGM vs Henk-style matchup, where we choose a TGM game and a Henk Rogers tetris game and compete in them both.


henk-syle? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif what did henk have to do with any tetris game's style? we owe "dr. mario & tetris" for snes's style to the traditional style established by alexey, and nintendo established the newer system via tetris dx. henk has to do with western tetris games about as much as he has to do with tgm games.

[colour_thief]

Let's see... Bullet Proof tetris games...


Tetris (Famicom)

Tetris (GB)

Tetris (NES)


He's not credited for those last 2, but they are so similar to his famicom version that I think they count. These are all his, but that's irrelevant anyways because his modern style is more or less completely different. Then there were a crapload of different versions for every Japanese home computer imaginable, I won't list them all. But he did those. Most notably Bullet Proof also did:


Super Tetris 2

Super Tetris 3

Tetris Gaiden


Here we start to see the same rotations as are found in Tetris Worlds, the so-called "dual axis" system. Next with the formation of TTC and Blue Planet Software he made games like:


The New Tetris

The Next Tetris

Tetris Worlds


And with Blue Lava Wireless he made the cell phone games. I'm not sure how much he was involved with other games by this point, however it starts to not matter much. He controls the rights to Tetris and he established standard rules which games must obey. This means that other developers are forced to use his style. Yes, they have some creative freedom, but not over every detail. So games such as those developped by Success...


Tetris Advance

Superlite 1500 Series: The Tetris

Tetris Kiwamemichi


...include World-style rotation. That's what I mean by "Henk-style". If you don't believe me when I say he's involved in the design of a lot of Tetris games, I could take a picture of his name in the Kids Tetris credits for you. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

Almost every tetris game ever made can be nicely categorized into one of 3 styles: Gameboy, Henk, or Sega/TGM. There's a few exceptions with early tetris games, back when just about everyone was making a tetris game and it was all deorganized. A cool modern day exception is DTET (http://dtet.web.infoseek.co.jp/dtet/howto.htm), a Japanese unlicensed clone game that tries to do things it's own way and is very well thought out. Videos are available on its website.


----

back on topic


Ok, Dr. Mario + Tetris it is. But I'm posting my pictures here, because Yahoo Groups blows.

[caffeine]

check out the pc tetris world's manual. his wife voices the line clears and his kids beta tested the game. despite the involvement, henk's a business man-- not a game designer. what you call styles come from the makings of either alexey, nintendo, or whatever company. they all progressed the game to what it has become today, and of course ttc would try to standardize future releases eventually.

[K]

this game ?

http://www.the-shell.net/images/snes_tetris.jpg
ok then,

is there any defined RULE ???

- game mode ?

- lines or points ?

- limited time ?

[M.Bison]

Yeah thats the tetris.

No rules really, just play tetris (not mixed and matched), start at any level, no time limit. Its a highscore comp so it would be measured in ponts/score not lines.


- Jono

[colour_thief]

check out the pc tetris world's manual. his wife voices the line clears and his kids beta tested the game. despite the involvement, henk's a business man-- not a game designer. what you call styles come from the makings of either alexey, nintendo, or whatever company. they all progressed the game to what it has become today, and of course ttc would try to standardize future releases eventually.


???

Check the Tetris Worlds credits. He's credited as "master game designer" or something is he not? And that whistle-blowing on Tetris Worlds's shortcomings clearly showed how Henk was in charge of the creative process, to the point of butchering other people's hard work. I'm pretty sure you've read most of the same stuff I have, so I'm puzzled that you can't see that what there is today is largely his vision. Hell, I've seen Henk's brother Eddie say that Henk designed the World rotation system.


And btw Henk basically is TTC. If they had actual staff, why would the www.tetris.com (http://www.tetris.com/default.htm) website not get updated in like 4-5 years?

[K]

ooook

so the competition will take place with "tetris & Dr mario" :

Here we go !


this evening i will get this "game"...any good emulator under the elbow ?

[caffeine]

well technically, they haven't updated for just one year. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://tetris.com check your pm for a continued reply to the discussion.


jag, i recommend either snes9x or zsnes.

[K]

WTF ?????????????????

i've played "only" 5 min... to Tetris & Dr Mario....

How can you propose a soo SHITY GAME ???? Tetris & Dr Mario is commercial Tetris i've ever played !!! even the GB version wasn't so paintful ...


compared to this "thing" Tetris Element look like a master piece....


now i'm definitively sure that Henk is a piece of shit at Tetris, and you tell me that he is the game "supervisor" or something ?

i would never give this game to any kid, because this is a pure demonstration of spirit limitation behavior, how can anybody can become stronger with this kind of gameplay ????


ok ok this game is from 94, but Fuck ! this is a puzzle game !!!! and puzzle game need PERFECT gameplay !!!


-- lot of input direction are going "only God know where",

-- Delayed auto shift is simply useless

-- Tetrimino are too powerfully (SHITY) randomly dealed !!!

-- we are sleeping at game start, and completely stressed at "high" speed...



please !!! for god sake, i definitively prefer Tetris Element... (my choice because at last Sonic Drop is implemented)

[M.Bison]

Look first of stop freaking complaining, all everyone does when I purpose competition is complain. Its a game, get over it. Actually try playing it insteaed of pointing out errors. Dont you thnik I know its not the best version of tetris? Thats exactly why I choose it, beacuse knowone (or not many pepole) is used to it. And as for high speed levels, learn to play faster, how hard could it be? Rember its ment to be a challenge not a version you play 4 hours a day know inside out, thats just boring and simple.

Start posting scores.


Although jagorochi I 100% agree with you on two things:


- Henk is a piece of shit ( Go Pazhitnov! )

- And as for the pieces completly random, well thats just fucked and true. ( Sorry about that, did'nt look into to it to hard before selecting ) I guess you just got to work around it


Non the less good luck to all, and post away!


- Jono


.......and Try to have fun

[colour_thief]

flrofolr


Relax Jono, Jagorochi is the strongest player I know. I agree though that he's perhaps a little intolerant of the oldschool GB style of tetris. I personally think it's an ok version for a comp, although it is a little irrelevent in terms of overlap with modern tetris games. On that note...


I got 7 S pieces in a row! 7!!!!


But that's how classic tetris work... They're not very consistent and you just have to deal with that. So far I've got 300 thousand, but I haven't played much.


Also jago I don't think Henk had much to do with this version. If I had to guess I'd say Nintendo handed a small American group of programmers a copy of Tetris GB and told them to remake it for SNES, much like they did with Pokemon Puzzle League and Dr. Mario 64. All 3 of these games were not released in Japan.

[K]

wow, take it easy jp01309 :

even if i'm vindicative, it's absolutely not against you... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

well it's that i've passed to much time dying in Tetris GB with this "mééééh" Sheep voice of game over...

this is absolutely awful, i can hear this sound in nightmare...


one little mistake, or lost input side direction, and this is game over in less than 1 sec.... frustration !!!!!

[M.Bison]

7?

I know exactly what you mean.........it sucks, oh how it sucks!


- Jono

[K]

i've tested, several game in game in snes,

is it possible to play to Super Tetris 3 (j)?

there is a classical mode, and this game is far better than other...

i've just played 5 min but, the gameplay is really good !

if you have never tried it before, just take a look !!!

[colour_thief]

Nope, Super Tetris 3 is no good. I've already maxed the score many times (on my SNES). Unless you want to compete for lines, but that would be long and boring.


Just stick with the original plan Jago. I agree that it is a little painful, but if you are a strong player you should be able to learn to adapt. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[M.Bison]

Super tetris 3? Never played it. But it sounds good, I will have to get the rom and check it out.

Thanks


- Jono

[K]

what you mean that the counter points is blocking at 999 999 or something ???

pffff.... damn!

well in another way, line or points, even if the goal look different, this is a finally just a "times endurance challenge"...


well the worst in Tetris & Dr mario, is not the "basic" gameplay finally, because, yes we can adapt to it, but what i dislike is this frustrating capability of the game to "miss or vanish" your rapid twice direction input....


i really feel that you have to always visually control in witch column is your piece for rapid correction, and with very "high speed" + "instant glue", the game is turning into a lucky challenge instead of skills performance...


btw, i hate lucky factor in puzzle game....

[joshua]

A few years ago, I was playing that game a lot (SNES Tetris/Dr.Mario), and my high score was about 300,000 with 295 lines. But that was before I started playing NES Tetris, trying for a max out. I'm a much better player now, and I am excited to join this comp. I am very interested to see what kind of high score I can produce now. I must borrow that cart from my sister, which might take me a week or two to get done, but I will certainly be posting some scores soon!

[colour_thief]

the game is turning into a lucky challenge instead of skills performance...


http://www.tetrismaster.com/ (http://www.tetrismaster.com/default.htm)


It is skill, learn to adapt. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[M.Bison]

Holy crap! I did'nt know DZ score was tetrismaster.com, cool


- Jono

[M.Bison]

I have been playing Dr Mario + Tetris a few times a day, and im finding pretty hard to push 450,000. Also, I dont think there is a high score for this version on twingalaxies.com, so whoever gets the top score should submit it there photo/vid.



- Jono

[K]

grrr ok ok

i will try then... :-/

[M.Bison]

Just checked out super tetris 3 and all I can say is thank you jagorochi, its so dam good and smooth, and you can start on level 20!

I will have to try for a max out on it.......never done one before.


Thanks again!


- Jono

[colour_thief]

It's really easy. I normally max out around S2, which isn't anywhere near top speed.

(After 200 lines speeds go S1 to S9 if I recall correctly.)

[joshua]

A tetris game in which players can obtain a max out would be all right for competition, the rules would simply be whoever uses the least amount of lines to obtain a max out wins. Just a thought.


Oh yeah, I also think that a comp would draw more attention if there was money involved. I'm only speaking theoretically, but let's just say something like this: all entries must be made by April 1st, and competetion ends April 15th at 12:00 a.m. eastern time, entry fee is $20.00. Just a thought.


You see, if say twenty people decide to join, then that's $400 in the pot. I would suggest the rules for the purse go something like this: third place winner gets his $20 back, second place winner gets double his money ($40) and the grand prize winner would get (if there were twenty entries) $360.00---a pretty sweet prize, if I may say so.


Anyway, just throwing around a few thoughts.

[colour_thief]

If there was money, I'd expect really strong proof. Like a video of performance, both controller and screen. No emulators. Without money, I'm cool with emulators using the honour system.


Just my thoughts.



And I'm cool using a maxable version, though a time attack strikes me as better than a "line attack".


At the least, I think we need a time frame. What's the end of the challenge?

[caffeine]

I'd go for a money tournament with "strong proof." I'd probably willingly host the videos (i.e. players could just send me videotapes of them playing, and I'd convert it to digital and put it on the site). In this case, I really don't care which Tetris you use. Consider a handheld Radica game from Walmart, or perhaps one of those plug in play TV ones-- you know, something anyone could easily find and cheaply purchase.

[M.Bison]

Whilst max-outs are fun they are also time consuming, I really dont think I could sit there and continuously try and get a max out in less and less lines. I would, but im getting a little frustrated trying to record a max out period. Also about the money I think its a great idea, but I dont have any sort of credit or debit card, so sorry guys that counts me out. Hand held tetris versions are also extremly hard to come by where I live, as tetris has been long forgotten here , but I do have two:


http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0 ... ZZZZZZ.jpg (http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0002E7C9Q.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)


http://www.thegamesplayer.com/ccp51/med ... Pic554.jpg (http://www.thegamesplayer.com/ccp51/media/images/product_detail/b-Pic554.jpg)


(sorry about the links it was the easiest way)


Both of these I dont think are that great for real tetris play anyway.


I was also wondering is anyone having luck with Tetris & Dr.Mario?


- Jono


(P.S could someone please tell me how to post pics through the forum)

[colour_thief]

I haven't been to motivated to play much... like I said I broke 300k, but that's nothing to write home about.


Images work like most forums do, using the tags you see between the subject box and the message box. ""%20and%20"" are used, without quotes. You place the link in between.


http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0002E7C9Q.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://www.thegamesplayer.com/ccp51/media/images/product_detail/b-Pic554.jpg

[M.Bison]

Thanks alot.

I dont blame you for lack of motivation, the version is just to random with generating the shapes, espically with the S and Z piece it seem to favor them quite substantionally. The score can vary dramatically (I believe) depending on luck not skill. The highest score I got (430,000K) was around the first 20 games I played and from then on I'v had nothing over 350,000K. I would say whoever gets the highest score in this "comp" is just super lucky.


- Jono

[M.Bison]

Finally got a actually cartridge of Dr. Mrio + Tetris!

Don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, cause its annoying me a bit already. But either way its much better to play on the console apose to the emulator, the animation is much smother. Something that I noticed when I reset the game (by pressing the B, A, Start and Select) was the game froze for a few seconds and my current piece (the L piece) was falling on a diagonal angle! It looked pretty crazy, I did'nt even think this frame exsisted.


- Jono

[tepples]

Yes. Tetris & Dr. Mario, Tetris 2, and The New Tetris include an intermediate frame to make rotations seem more natural.

[M.Bison]

Ah, Ok cool.

Just wondering has anyone passed the 520,000? The most I ever heard of people getting was around 420,000.

[Phydeaux]

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0002E7C9Q.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


Holy crap I want one to hang on my wall.